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Ok, let's look at this on an even playing field, which should be very doable with the atrocities befalling the US and somewhat indiscriminate killing of African

Ok, let's look at this on an even playing field, which should be very doable with the atrocities befalling the US and somewhat indiscriminate killing of African Americans. Note: I'm not American and don't live in the US. African Americans have been killed by police, imprisoned as almost a racial policy (often resulting from petty drug offenses). So let's say there are an equal number of people killed on each side. 30 African American's in the past week (not true, but let's just make it simple) and 30 Philippine Drug Dealers. Two wrongs. Why is America better? It is attempting to face the tragedy and stop the killing. In the Phillipines, what is preventing somebody from killing their neighbor, and saying "he was a drug addict" with no evidence? What 'radical progress' are you expecting from the killing of drug addicts? Unless, you consider a pile of dead bodies 'progress'. If the Phillipines were 'drug free', would that be 'radical progress'? If so, how? How would it change the rest of the country? The lives of the people?

tajen 10y ago
> Why is USA better? It is attempting to face the tragedy and stop the killing. Is America attempting to stop the killing? I must have missed a chapter. Last time I've checked Obama was mourning the police officers who were killed and no national mourning was declared for the 500-600 corpses left by the police. And last time I've checked there is also still no trial for which Arabs get to die in Middle East under drone strikes. And 95% inmates in USA have used a plea bargain, which means no trial has occurd to prove whether they were guilty or not. Did I mention the Civil Asset Forfeiture program? Did I mention that even if we right the 3 examples above, the financial imbalance means that the poorer people are not properly representated in legal situations, in votes, and in the economy? I'm flummoxed the we, in the age of the full information, still take USA as a mere candidate when we talk about human rights. We can't compare USA to anything, their track record is too low.
- obj-g 10y ago
  No national mourning has been declared for "500-600 corpses" because we don't mourn criminals, thugs, people who reach for guns when confronted by police, people who resist arrest, etc. You act as if the police did a raid on Google and pulled all the black employees out and shot them execution style. That sort of thing is definitely not happening.
  - tajen 10y ago
    > because we don't mourn criminals, thugs, people who reach for guns when confronted by police 1. 1 in 3 black people killed by police in 2015 were identified as unarmed [1]. 2. In the current example, the black victim didn't resist arrest. 3. Those 500-600 weren't criminals, because you can only say they're "criminal" after a fair trial (oh, sorry, that's something to do with "human rights", if only you could understand what that means). 4. "Not mourning criminals" or not treating them as humans is the primary reason why USA is not compliant with human rights. The reason why it is important to treat assumed criminals as humans is in my point #5. 5. The reason why people resist arrests is because they have absolutely no trust that the judiciary system will judge them fairly. Today, an innocent would rather die than enter the judiciary system [2]. [1] http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/ http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/ [2] Innocents are cornered into plea bargain, which is 90% of the criminal cases in USA - It means for 90% criminal cases, there was no formal proof that the accused was guilty. I know, they're black, male, muscular and poor, right!? But that doesn't mean they're guilty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plea_bargain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plea_bargain So, once again, you "don't mourn criminals, thugs and people who reach for guns when confronted by police", except you ought to mourn the innocent, the weak and the people who are mugged by police, and you should do that because the police also does it to white people, and you have even fewer organizations to defend against that.
    - obj-g 10y ago
      What's the current example? Of course they weren't all criminals. Many of them were, though, you know, from prior arrests/crimes. Like this recent "victim" (or angel as some would have us believe): sex offender, arrest history, felon, gun in pocket, struggling against police trying to keep him on the ground, reaching for gun. But no, he's portrayed as some beloved member of the community and family man. Five kids, but basically homeless. Right. If people stopped resisting and had some respect for officers, there would be far fewer fatal shootings. If a police officer tells me to do something, I do it. That's how it works. Black people, from certain black subcultures, start in with, "Nah man why you fuckin' wit me." I really don't understand why you want to protect the dregs of society and black society who don't know how to act, rather than help improve black communities, help them educate and advance and rid themselves of their most violent and counterproductive subcultures that reward unlawful and disrespectful behavior and keep them ignorant. As a black person, you're far far far more likely to be killed by another black person than a cop. Fine, disarm the cops and move to the hood. See how wonderful it is.
douche 10y ago
Tragedies that have been wildly pumped up by various elements, to even more tragic results. I've already seen three or four black men killed by other black men just this morning on the Boston news, and that's just since yesterday. Nobody is out in the streets over that.
- yardie 10y ago
  Yes they are. Organizations like Stop the Violence have been protesting and marching for years. But these are black victims killed by black criminals in black neighborhoods so the news doesn't care and doesn't report on it.

tajen 10y ago

> Why is USA better? It is attempting to face the tragedy and stop the killing. Is America attempting to stop the killing? I must have missed a chapter. Last time I've checked Obama was mourning the police officers who were killed and no national mourning was declared for the 500-600 corpses left by the police. And last time I've checked there is also still no trial for which Arabs get to die in Middle East under drone strikes. And 95% inmates in USA have used a plea bargain, which means no trial has occurd to prove whether they were guilty or not. Did I mention the Civil Asset Forfeiture program? Did I mention that even if we right the 3 examples above, the financial imbalance means that the poorer people are not properly representated in legal situations, in votes, and in the economy? I'm flummoxed the we, in the age of the full information, still take USA as a mere candidate when we talk about human rights. We can't compare USA to anything, their track record is too low.

obj-g 10y ago
No national mourning has been declared for "500-600 corpses" because we don't mourn criminals, thugs, people who reach for guns when confronted by police, people who resist arrest, etc. You act as if the police did a raid on Google and pulled all the black employees out and shot them execution style. That sort of thing is definitely not happening.
- tajen 10y ago
  > because we don't mourn criminals, thugs, people who reach for guns when confronted by police 1. 1 in 3 black people killed by police in 2015 were identified as unarmed [1]. 2. In the current example, the black victim didn't resist arrest. 3. Those 500-600 weren't criminals, because you can only say they're "criminal" after a fair trial (oh, sorry, that's something to do with "human rights", if only you could understand what that means). 4. "Not mourning criminals" or not treating them as humans is the primary reason why USA is not compliant with human rights. The reason why it is important to treat assumed criminals as humans is in my point #5. 5. The reason why people resist arrests is because they have absolutely no trust that the judiciary system will judge them fairly. Today, an innocent would rather die than enter the judiciary system [2]. [1] http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/ http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/ [2] Innocents are cornered into plea bargain, which is 90% of the criminal cases in USA - It means for 90% criminal cases, there was no formal proof that the accused was guilty. I know, they're black, male, muscular and poor, right!? But that doesn't mean they're guilty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plea_bargain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plea_bargain So, once again, you "don't mourn criminals, thugs and people who reach for guns when confronted by police", except you ought to mourn the innocent, the weak and the people who are mugged by police, and you should do that because the police also does it to white people, and you have even fewer organizations to defend against that.
  - obj-g 10y ago
    What's the current example? Of course they weren't all criminals. Many of them were, though, you know, from prior arrests/crimes. Like this recent "victim" (or angel as some would have us believe): sex offender, arrest history, felon, gun in pocket, struggling against police trying to keep him on the ground, reaching for gun. But no, he's portrayed as some beloved member of the community and family man. Five kids, but basically homeless. Right. If people stopped resisting and had some respect for officers, there would be far fewer fatal shootings. If a police officer tells me to do something, I do it. That's how it works. Black people, from certain black subcultures, start in with, "Nah man why you fuckin' wit me." I really don't understand why you want to protect the dregs of society and black society who don't know how to act, rather than help improve black communities, help them educate and advance and rid themselves of their most violent and counterproductive subcultures that reward unlawful and disrespectful behavior and keep them ignorant. As a black person, you're far far far more likely to be killed by another black person than a cop. Fine, disarm the cops and move to the hood. See how wonderful it is.

douche 10y ago

Tragedies that have been wildly pumped up by various elements, to even more tragic results. I've already seen three or four black men killed by other black men just this morning on the Boston news, and that's just since yesterday. Nobody is out in the streets over that.

yardie 10y ago
Yes they are. Organizations like Stop the Violence have been protesting and marching for years. But these are black victims killed by black criminals in black neighborhoods so the news doesn't care and doesn't report on it.