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Seems crazy but people of the Philippines knew what they were voting for. This is exactly what he did when he was mayor of Davao: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

by geowwy 10y ago

Seems crazy but people of the Philippines knew what they were voting for. This is exactly what he did when he was mayor of Davao: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Duterte#Davao_City_mayor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Duterte#Davao_City_may... To play devil's advocate: Drugs and the criminal networks supported by drugs are a massive problem in the Philippines. Police are too weak and too corrupt to deal with it, but this is a solution that works, even if it does offend our first world sensibilities.

teej 10y ago
Did you honestly just justify genocide?
- geowwy 10y ago
  Nope. Read again.
jacquesm 10y ago
> Police are too weak and too corrupt to deal with it Yes, so let's go kill a bunch of people, instead of reforming the police force.
- calgoo 10y ago
  So can we kill corrupt cops as well then? I mean if we are going to go full circle, lets just kill everyone we dont agree with. That will solve all our issues! /s
  - rbanffy 10y ago
    Of course, the people with guns will kill the people who doesn't have guns. Since drug dealers and drug users never have guns, it's easy.
1ris 10y ago
Killing suspects on sight does offend my first world sensibilities as it offends anybody with a spark of reason and anybody who gasp the concept of moral. A state that does kill random citizens has no legitimacy. states are formed by individuals in order to ensure they are not subject to random violence or violation of their rights. If a state can't or does not want to guarantee that nobody has any reason to respect the state. If police men kill random people because they think they deal drugs, the ordinary citizen has every right to kill police men because they think the police thinks they deal drugs. (or their fellow country men) In such a state of affairs, what's the purpose of a state? What's it's legitimacy? It doesn't have any. A complete lack of any institutions and anarchy would protect everybodys rights better.
viraptor 10y ago
I think I understand why people agree with this course of action. I get why at some point you'd be for a proper cleanup of the place you live in. The main problem I see with it though is that soon someone will say you are a drug dealer. Or that weird people are coming to your house. Or that at some point the actual evil people will arrange drug deals near people they want to get rid of. And then you'll really want a fair process. If you start a red scare equivalent, then suddenly every neighbour may be a communist.
fucking_tragedy 10y ago
> To play devil's advocate: Drugs and the criminal networks supported by drugs are a massive problem in the Philippines. Police are too weak and too corrupt to deal with it, but this is a solution that works, even if it does offend our first world sensibilities. To play devil's advocate: Jews and other degenerates are a massive problem in Germany. Police are too weak and too corrupt to deal with it, but this is a solution that works, even if it does offend our first world sensibilities.
xg15 10y ago
Everything else aside, how would that method even work to combat criminal networks? Wouldn't the criminal networks simply use this law to legalize their own murders by labeling everyone they murdered "drug user"?

by geowwy 10y ago

teej 10y ago

Did you honestly just justify genocide?

geowwy 10y ago
Nope. Read again.

jacquesm 10y ago

> Police are too weak and too corrupt to deal with it Yes, so let's go kill a bunch of people, instead of reforming the police force.

calgoo 10y ago
So can we kill corrupt cops as well then? I mean if we are going to go full circle, lets just kill everyone we dont agree with. That will solve all our issues! /s
- rbanffy 10y ago
  Of course, the people with guns will kill the people who doesn't have guns. Since drug dealers and drug users never have guns, it's easy.

1ris 10y ago

Killing suspects on sight does offend my first world sensibilities as it offends anybody with a spark of reason and anybody who gasp the concept of moral. A state that does kill random citizens has no legitimacy. states are formed by individuals in order to ensure they are not subject to random violence or violation of their rights. If a state can't or does not want to guarantee that nobody has any reason to respect the state. If police men kill random people because they think they deal drugs, the ordinary citizen has every right to kill police men because they think the police thinks they deal drugs. (or their fellow country men) In such a state of affairs, what's the purpose of a state? What's it's legitimacy? It doesn't have any. A complete lack of any institutions and anarchy would protect everybodys rights better.

viraptor 10y ago

I think I understand why people agree with this course of action. I get why at some point you'd be for a proper cleanup of the place you live in. The main problem I see with it though is that soon someone will say you are a drug dealer. Or that weird people are coming to your house. Or that at some point the actual evil people will arrange drug deals near people they want to get rid of. And then you'll really want a fair process. If you start a red scare equivalent, then suddenly every neighbour may be a communist.

fucking_tragedy 10y ago

> To play devil's advocate: Drugs and the criminal networks supported by drugs are a massive problem in the Philippines. Police are too weak and too corrupt to deal with it, but this is a solution that works, even if it does offend our first world sensibilities. To play devil's advocate: Jews and other degenerates are a massive problem in Germany. Police are too weak and too corrupt to deal with it, but this is a solution that works, even if it does offend our first world sensibilities.

xg15 10y ago

Everything else aside, how would that method even work to combat criminal networks? Wouldn't the criminal networks simply use this law to legalize their own murders by labeling everyone they murdered "drug user"?