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I don't envy his position, or any other CEO or leader of a large group. It's a huge responsibility. You can face jail time for not sharing information. Usual

I don't envy his position, or any other CEO or leader of a large group. It's a huge responsibility. You can face jail time for not sharing information. Usually only the most egregious violators see a cell, but it's still a scary prospect if you somehow got caught up in some other executive's scheme. At the end of the day, the CEO signs everything. Edit: I see the downvote. Am I wrong? Is being a CEO all rainbows and sunshine? Maybe I got some detail wrong. Feel free to correct me.

Scarblac 10y ago
It sounds like it's some predicament he's in by some accident that wasn't his fault.
- studentrob 10y ago
  As outsiders, we can only know what the company, regulatory agencies, and reporters tell us.
  - nix0n 10y ago
    > we can only know what the company ... [tells] us. Tesla tells us "it's the driver's fault that he died while using our Autopilot". Either Musk approved this message, or he didn't bother to read it before it went out, and didn't bother to apologize afterwards. I think we can draw some conclusions from that.
    - studentrob 10y ago
      There are pending investigations by the NHTSA and NTSB. We'll know more when they are ready.
wiz21c 10y ago
the guy comes forward and says "I'm going to make an autopilot for the masses". He/We know it's tough to do. The guy release its autopilot. It's not quite ready for prime time. Double problem : the guy goes into a tough business alone, the guy makes stuff that's not 100% ready. I like it when people try to do hard stuff, that's fine and maybe heroic. But they have to be prepared : if testing the whole thing must take 10 years to be safe and a gazillion dollars, then so be it. If it's too much to shoulder, then they should not enter the business.
- ethbro 10y ago
  > if testing the whole thing must take 10 years to be safe and a gazillion dollars, then so be it. If it's too much to shoulder, then they should not enter the business That sounds like a succinct explanation for why we've been stuck in LEO since December 19, 1972. We've got 7 billion+ humans on the surface of our planet. We lose about 1.8/s to various tragedies. Most of which are of less import than helping automate something that's responsible for around 32,000 deaths in the US every year. Move fast, break people for a just cause, escape risk-averse sociotechnological local minima, and build a future where fewer people die.
  - laksjd 10y ago
    I don't think the issue is that Tesla's cars are dangerous. The issue people are raising is that they pretend, at least through implications, that their cars can safely drive for you. Tesla is also not doing any kind of super special research into self driving cars. The system their cars use is (afaik) an OEM component (provided by MobileEye) that powers the driver assist features of many other brands, too. Instead of actually improving the technology they have chosen to lower the safety parameters in order to make it seem like the system is more capable than it actually is.
- true_religion 10y ago
  Safe is like 'secure'. It's a relative concept, and the level of safety we are willing to accept from products is something that should be communally decided and required by law. We shouldn't go off expecting that someone elses ideas of safety will jive 100% with our own, and then blame them when someone else buys a product and is injured. Should Telsa drive-assist deactivate and slow the car after 10 seconds without touching the wheel? Probably, but I won't blame them for not doing so if there is no regulatory framework to help them make a decision. It's certainly not obvious that 10 seconds is the limit and not 11, or 15 or 2 seconds.

Scarblac 10y ago

It sounds like it's some predicament he's in by some accident that wasn't his fault.

studentrob 10y ago
As outsiders, we can only know what the company, regulatory agencies, and reporters tell us.
- nix0n 10y ago
  > we can only know what the company ... [tells] us. Tesla tells us "it's the driver's fault that he died while using our Autopilot". Either Musk approved this message, or he didn't bother to read it before it went out, and didn't bother to apologize afterwards. I think we can draw some conclusions from that.
  - studentrob 10y ago
    There are pending investigations by the NHTSA and NTSB. We'll know more when they are ready.

wiz21c 10y ago

the guy comes forward and says "I'm going to make an autopilot for the masses". He/We know it's tough to do. The guy release its autopilot. It's not quite ready for prime time. Double problem : the guy goes into a tough business alone, the guy makes stuff that's not 100% ready. I like it when people try to do hard stuff, that's fine and maybe heroic. But they have to be prepared : if testing the whole thing must take 10 years to be safe and a gazillion dollars, then so be it. If it's too much to shoulder, then they should not enter the business.

ethbro 10y ago
> if testing the whole thing must take 10 years to be safe and a gazillion dollars, then so be it. If it's too much to shoulder, then they should not enter the business That sounds like a succinct explanation for why we've been stuck in LEO since December 19, 1972. We've got 7 billion+ humans on the surface of our planet. We lose about 1.8/s to various tragedies. Most of which are of less import than helping automate something that's responsible for around 32,000 deaths in the US every year. Move fast, break people for a just cause, escape risk-averse sociotechnological local minima, and build a future where fewer people die.
- laksjd 10y ago
  I don't think the issue is that Tesla's cars are dangerous. The issue people are raising is that they pretend, at least through implications, that their cars can safely drive for you. Tesla is also not doing any kind of super special research into self driving cars. The system their cars use is (afaik) an OEM component (provided by MobileEye) that powers the driver assist features of many other brands, too. Instead of actually improving the technology they have chosen to lower the safety parameters in order to make it seem like the system is more capable than it actually is.
true_religion 10y ago
Safe is like 'secure'. It's a relative concept, and the level of safety we are willing to accept from products is something that should be communally decided and required by law. We shouldn't go off expecting that someone elses ideas of safety will jive 100% with our own, and then blame them when someone else buys a product and is injured. Should Telsa drive-assist deactivate and slow the car after 10 seconds without touching the wheel? Probably, but I won't blame them for not doing so if there is no regulatory framework to help them make a decision. It's certainly not obvious that 10 seconds is the limit and not 11, or 15 or 2 seconds.