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>Google's self driving car project reports [1] should be the standard. They're published monthly and they detail every crash Copying a reply from earlier... G

>Google's self driving car project reports [1] should be the standard. They're published monthly and they detail every crash Copying a reply from earlier... Google isn't doing this out of the goodness of their heart. They have always been required by law to send autonomous vehicle accident reports to the DMV, which are made available to the public on the DMV's website. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/testing https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/testi... So the transparency itself is mandatory. Google merely chose to control the message and get free PR by publishing an abbreviated summary on their website too. Judging by this comment, it's working! For example, here's the full report on Google's accident in February, the first one where the autonomous car was the vehicle at fault: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/3946fbb8-e04e-4d52-8f80-b33948df34b2/Google+Auto+LLC+02.14.16.pdf?MOD=AJPERES https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/3946fbb8-e04e-4d52... (see also studentrob's excellent reply here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12084444 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12084444)

sangnoir 10y ago
> So the transparency itself is mandatory Then why on earth is Tesla being opaque and seemingly passing the buck with their PR?! I don't get it.
- studentrob 10y ago
  The requirement does not seem to be there for driver-assist vehicles. Also, it's a state-level requirement. Looks like it's just in CA for now. The accidents detailed in the Google reports are all from California. And, Tesla may be unwilling to start reporting driver-assist accident rates to the public unless the other driver-assist car companies are forced to do it too. I'll make an addendum to my above comment.
  - delroth 10y ago
    > The accidents detailed in the Google reports are all from California. You could have opened the first report[1] on that page and notice this is wrong. > June 6, 2016: A Google prototype autonomous vehicle (Google AV) was traveling southbound on Berkman Dr. in Austin, TX in autonomous mode and was involved in a minor collision north of E 51st St. The other vehicle was approaching the Google AV from behind in an adjacent right turn-only lane. The other vehicle then crossed into the lane occupied by the Google AV and made slight contact with the side of our vehicle. The Google AV sustained a small scrape to the front right fender and the other vehicle had a scrape on its left rear quarter panel. There were no injuries reported at the scene. [1] https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/www.google.com/en//selfdrivingcar/files/reports/report-0616.pdf https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/www.google.com/en...
    - studentrob 10y ago
      Blast! I can't get anything right. It's too late to edit my original comment. Well, that's awesome that Google reports on accidents outside of California too. Thank you for correcting me, delroth.

sangnoir 10y ago

> So the transparency itself is mandatory Then why on earth is Tesla being opaque and seemingly passing the buck with their PR?! I don't get it.

studentrob 10y ago
The requirement does not seem to be there for driver-assist vehicles. Also, it's a state-level requirement. Looks like it's just in CA for now. The accidents detailed in the Google reports are all from California. And, Tesla may be unwilling to start reporting driver-assist accident rates to the public unless the other driver-assist car companies are forced to do it too. I'll make an addendum to my above comment.
- delroth 10y ago
  > The accidents detailed in the Google reports are all from California. You could have opened the first report[1] on that page and notice this is wrong. > June 6, 2016: A Google prototype autonomous vehicle (Google AV) was traveling southbound on Berkman Dr. in Austin, TX in autonomous mode and was involved in a minor collision north of E 51st St. The other vehicle was approaching the Google AV from behind in an adjacent right turn-only lane. The other vehicle then crossed into the lane occupied by the Google AV and made slight contact with the side of our vehicle. The Google AV sustained a small scrape to the front right fender and the other vehicle had a scrape on its left rear quarter panel. There were no injuries reported at the scene. [1] https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/www.google.com/en//selfdrivingcar/files/reports/report-0616.pdf https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/www.google.com/en...
  - studentrob 10y ago
    Blast! I can't get anything right. It's too late to edit my original comment. Well, that's awesome that Google reports on accidents outside of California too. Thank you for correcting me, delroth.