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Is this a joke? Surely something so utterly stupid can't be real. This man just gave the public free rein to murder and get away with it. Jesus this planet is

Is this a joke? Surely something so utterly stupid can't be real. This man just gave the public free rein to murder and get away with it. Jesus this planet is insane.

jasonjei 10y ago
I thought the same. Just a few weekends ago that silly Purge movie came out. Little did I know reality would follow.
yelnatz 10y ago
Nope, it's not a joke. This guy just got elected. He was mayor before this, and that's how he ran his city. He had secret death squads that cleaned the streets and "transformed" his city to the 5th safest city in the world. [0] [0]http://globalnation.inquirer.net/125132/davao-city-improves-to-5th-in-ranking-of-worlds-safest-cities http://globalnation.inquirer.net/125132/davao-city-improves-...
- rurban 10y ago
  Sounds like Mexico then. https://vimeo.com/18768132 https://vimeo.com/18768132
- abalone 10y ago
  That data is crowdsourced and methodologically questionable. Davao actually has a high murder and rape rate.[1] [1] http://m.gulfnews.com/news/asia/philippines/one-crime-every-80-minutes-in-davao-city-1.1660705 http://m.gulfnews.com/news/asia/philippines/one-crime-every-...
- calgoo 10y ago
  Yea, my mother i law also says that Barcelona, Spain was really safe at night during the dictatorship, with military police on every corner. That does not make it right, or even a good thing. Safety for the sake of safety is not a solution.
- deleted 10y ago
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geowwy 10y ago
Seems crazy but people of the Philippines knew what they were voting for. This is exactly what he did when he was mayor of Davao: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Duterte#Davao_City_mayor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Duterte#Davao_City_may... To play devil's advocate: Drugs and the criminal networks supported by drugs are a massive problem in the Philippines. Police are too weak and too corrupt to deal with it, but this is a solution that works, even if it does offend our first world sensibilities.
- teej 10y ago
  Did you honestly just justify genocide?
  - geowwy 10y ago
    Nope. Read again.
- jacquesm 10y ago
  > Police are too weak and too corrupt to deal with it Yes, so let's go kill a bunch of people, instead of reforming the police force.
  - calgoo 10y ago
    So can we kill corrupt cops as well then? I mean if we are going to go full circle, lets just kill everyone we dont agree with. That will solve all our issues! /s
    - rbanffy 10y ago
      Of course, the people with guns will kill the people who doesn't have guns. Since drug dealers and drug users never have guns, it's easy.
- 1ris 10y ago
  Killing suspects on sight does offend my first world sensibilities as it offends anybody with a spark of reason and anybody who gasp the concept of moral. A state that does kill random citizens has no legitimacy. states are formed by individuals in order to ensure they are not subject to random violence or violation of their rights. If a state can't or does not want to guarantee that nobody has any reason to respect the state. If police men kill random people because they think they deal drugs, the ordinary citizen has every right to kill police men because they think the police thinks they deal drugs. (or their fellow country men) In such a state of affairs, what's the purpose of a state? What's it's legitimacy? It doesn't have any. A complete lack of any institutions and anarchy would protect everybodys rights better.
Bakary 10y ago
It's actually not that insane from the perspective of a local voter who has nothing to lose and has a miserable crime-ridden existence. It's not qualitatively different from disenfranchised workers voting for Trump. It's the nuclear option for people who have no way to profit from the existing system. It just so happens that life is much, much easier in the US so there is no need to consider actual violence when thinking about going nuclear.
- simplemath 10y ago
  No, it's still insane.
  - vixen99 10y ago
    Using the word 'insane' does not contribute to the discussion in this context.
  - sdoering 10y ago
    Calling it insanity is not only overly dismissive and chauvinistic, but also not helping in any way furthering understanding. If you want to solve a problem you have to understand it first and foremost. Just calling it insanity is therefore not only not helpful, but harmful as others might take up that world view and stop caring for a real solution. I do not have a solution, but am trying to understand how people can be so miserable (be it workers in US voting for Trump, German people voting AfD or people in the Philippines seeing this as a viable option/solution to their problem, when it probably even isn't such). I can understand being desperate and taking desperate measures. But killing? I am so not able to understand it - even while I am trying to find rational reasons/explanations.
- tankenmate 10y ago
  The most dangerous person in the room is the one with nothing to lose.
- joe5150 10y ago
  this is not remotely like voting for Trump. and it doesn't "so happen" that life is easier in countries with functioning (if deeply flawed) justice systems than it is in ones where corruption and vigilantism rule; there are pretty good reasons for why that is.

Is this a joke? Surely something so utterly stupid can't be real. This man just gave the public free rein to murder and get away with it. Jesus this planet is insane.

jasonjei 10y ago

I thought the same. Just a few weekends ago that silly Purge movie came out. Little did I know reality would follow.

yelnatz 10y ago

Nope, it's not a joke. This guy just got elected. He was mayor before this, and that's how he ran his city. He had secret death squads that cleaned the streets and "transformed" his city to the 5th safest city in the world. [0] [0]http://globalnation.inquirer.net/125132/davao-city-improves-to-5th-in-ranking-of-worlds-safest-cities http://globalnation.inquirer.net/125132/davao-city-improves-...

rurban 10y ago
Sounds like Mexico then. https://vimeo.com/18768132 https://vimeo.com/18768132
abalone 10y ago
That data is crowdsourced and methodologically questionable. Davao actually has a high murder and rape rate.[1] [1] http://m.gulfnews.com/news/asia/philippines/one-crime-every-80-minutes-in-davao-city-1.1660705 http://m.gulfnews.com/news/asia/philippines/one-crime-every-...
calgoo 10y ago
Yea, my mother i law also says that Barcelona, Spain was really safe at night during the dictatorship, with military police on every corner. That does not make it right, or even a good thing. Safety for the sake of safety is not a solution.
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geowwy 10y ago

Seems crazy but people of the Philippines knew what they were voting for. This is exactly what he did when he was mayor of Davao: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Duterte#Davao_City_mayor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Duterte#Davao_City_may... To play devil's advocate: Drugs and the criminal networks supported by drugs are a massive problem in the Philippines. Police are too weak and too corrupt to deal with it, but this is a solution that works, even if it does offend our first world sensibilities.

teej 10y ago
Did you honestly just justify genocide?
- geowwy 10y ago
  Nope. Read again.
jacquesm 10y ago
> Police are too weak and too corrupt to deal with it Yes, so let's go kill a bunch of people, instead of reforming the police force.
- calgoo 10y ago
  So can we kill corrupt cops as well then? I mean if we are going to go full circle, lets just kill everyone we dont agree with. That will solve all our issues! /s
  - rbanffy 10y ago
    Of course, the people with guns will kill the people who doesn't have guns. Since drug dealers and drug users never have guns, it's easy.
1ris 10y ago
Killing suspects on sight does offend my first world sensibilities as it offends anybody with a spark of reason and anybody who gasp the concept of moral. A state that does kill random citizens has no legitimacy. states are formed by individuals in order to ensure they are not subject to random violence or violation of their rights. If a state can't or does not want to guarantee that nobody has any reason to respect the state. If police men kill random people because they think they deal drugs, the ordinary citizen has every right to kill police men because they think the police thinks they deal drugs. (or their fellow country men) In such a state of affairs, what's the purpose of a state? What's it's legitimacy? It doesn't have any. A complete lack of any institutions and anarchy would protect everybodys rights better.

Bakary 10y ago

It's actually not that insane from the perspective of a local voter who has nothing to lose and has a miserable crime-ridden existence. It's not qualitatively different from disenfranchised workers voting for Trump. It's the nuclear option for people who have no way to profit from the existing system. It just so happens that life is much, much easier in the US so there is no need to consider actual violence when thinking about going nuclear.

simplemath 10y ago
No, it's still insane.
- vixen99 10y ago
  Using the word 'insane' does not contribute to the discussion in this context.
- sdoering 10y ago
  Calling it insanity is not only overly dismissive and chauvinistic, but also not helping in any way furthering understanding. If you want to solve a problem you have to understand it first and foremost. Just calling it insanity is therefore not only not helpful, but harmful as others might take up that world view and stop caring for a real solution. I do not have a solution, but am trying to understand how people can be so miserable (be it workers in US voting for Trump, German people voting AfD or people in the Philippines seeing this as a viable option/solution to their problem, when it probably even isn't such). I can understand being desperate and taking desperate measures. But killing? I am so not able to understand it - even while I am trying to find rational reasons/explanations.
tankenmate 10y ago
The most dangerous person in the room is the one with nothing to lose.
joe5150 10y ago
this is not remotely like voting for Trump. and it doesn't "so happen" that life is easier in countries with functioning (if deeply flawed) justice systems than it is in ones where corruption and vigilantism rule; there are pretty good reasons for why that is.