3 ms·

And I can almost guarantee that this has negatively effected the purchasing power of those least well off in the EU. Along with other various detrimental unint

And I can almost guarantee that this has negatively effected the purchasing power of those least well off in the EU. Along with other various detrimental unintended consequences. Which is why, morally, this is wrong through force. If I want to eat growth-hormone free meats, that's my choice. This "net-good" talk is nonsense.

Retric 10y ago
All I see when I read that is, it should be my choice to kill hundreds of millions of people. This is about more than say the deaths from say the Holocaust, this is about more lives than where lost in all of WWI and WWIII combined. Antibiotics have already saved ~200 million lives, 80% of their use is in livestock, and they are of limited long term value. A reasonable guess is a Billion+ lives hang in the balance.
katbyte 10y ago
Can you honestly say cheap meat is morally worth the antibiotic resistance and animal cruelty it often leads too? When did cheap meat become a right?
- djschnei 10y ago
  And, as usual, you are quickly pulled into the straw-man: "well if you don't want government to solve it, than you don't want it solved". I don't want to forcefully deprive the poor of food, that is true. I don't really want to forcefully do anything. We convinced millions of people they'll feel better if they don't eat gluten. An entire cottage industry created. All without force. All without the influence of politics and fallible men.
  - sedachv 10y ago
    > We convinced millions of people they'll feel better if they don't eat gluten. An entire cottage industry created. All without force. All without the influence of politics and fallible men. How do you make the logical leap from "a big diet fad happened" to "the FDA is redundant and evil?"
coldtea 10y ago
>And I can almost guarantee that this has negatively effected the purchasing power of those least well off in the EU And I can guarantee absolutely that purchasing power is not the be all end all, and that leaving it all to the free market and "if I want X, it's my choice" creates more issues than it solves. For example, nobody labelling what they sell as X (but as X+, the better variety), without legislation to prevent them. And the same argument goes to BS like avoiding vaccination and people teaching Creative Design to their kids.

Retric 10y ago

All I see when I read that is, it should be my choice to kill hundreds of millions of people. This is about more than say the deaths from say the Holocaust, this is about more lives than where lost in all of WWI and WWIII combined. Antibiotics have already saved ~200 million lives, 80% of their use is in livestock, and they are of limited long term value. A reasonable guess is a Billion+ lives hang in the balance.

katbyte 10y ago

Can you honestly say cheap meat is morally worth the antibiotic resistance and animal cruelty it often leads too? When did cheap meat become a right?

djschnei 10y ago
And, as usual, you are quickly pulled into the straw-man: "well if you don't want government to solve it, than you don't want it solved". I don't want to forcefully deprive the poor of food, that is true. I don't really want to forcefully do anything. We convinced millions of people they'll feel better if they don't eat gluten. An entire cottage industry created. All without force. All without the influence of politics and fallible men.
- sedachv 10y ago
  > We convinced millions of people they'll feel better if they don't eat gluten. An entire cottage industry created. All without force. All without the influence of politics and fallible men. How do you make the logical leap from "a big diet fad happened" to "the FDA is redundant and evil?"

coldtea 10y ago

>And I can almost guarantee that this has negatively effected the purchasing power of those least well off in the EU And I can guarantee absolutely that purchasing power is not the be all end all, and that leaving it all to the free market and "if I want X, it's my choice" creates more issues than it solves. For example, nobody labelling what they sell as X (but as X+, the better variety), without legislation to prevent them. And the same argument goes to BS like avoiding vaccination and people teaching Creative Design to their kids.