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> Does anyone really trust online game reviews? It depends on what you mean by "trust", and "game reviews". I have varying levels of trust for different indiv

by SCdF 10y ago

> Does anyone really trust online game reviews? It depends on what you mean by "trust", and "game reviews". I have varying levels of trust for different individuals, which you can factor into how much you take what they're saying at face value. I don't think the concept of a game review is particularly helpful: they are all subjective opinion pieces. They could be essays (game reviews), rants or opinion pieces (what TB does say), raw gameplay (lets plays) or live interactive exploration of the title (Twitch). You can combine those various streams, along with "lesser" (read "easier") user generated content like Reddit threads and what-not, to help you come to some kind of conclusion before a purchase. > the first thing I think when I see a positive review is that it was bought I feel for you, that can't be a nice way to think about things. I'm not sure where you're getting that kind of cynicism from honestly, but if the issue is as widespread as you say I feel like there is a pretty good expose in that. > Besides, the culture of game media is often far, far away from true gamer culture. That's a really odd statement. I'm not sure what "true gamer culture" is, but there is a good chance I come from a completely different country to you, have a completely different background and life experiences to you. Except I play video games. I'm not sure declaring some "true gamerness" test and segregating people who fit your expectations and those that don't is particularly healthy. I think especially these days many people play games, to varying levels, on varying platforms. Games are not holy relics to be cherished by the anointed few, they are pieces of culture to be enjoyed (or not I suppose, if they're junk) by everyone. > I think consumers should start to learn to think for themselves and stop relying on the state, bans and fines. I'm not sure those are mutually exclusive ideas. People should think for themselves, obviously. But since basically every opinion you've ever had is based on the media you read / experienced it in, trying to push media toward being a cultural experience and not an advertisement is important too. Especially in a world where everyone is hyper critical and distrustful of media (especially media that contains opinions they don't agree with), it's a boon to promote yourself as a game reviewer / critic / lets player who is not corrupted by the almighty dollar.

vlunkr 10y ago
> I'm not sure declaring some "true gamerness" test and segregating people who fit your expectations and those that don't is particularly healthy. This is exactly the problem with GamerGate. They think all games and game media are made specifically for them.
Kenji 10y ago
That's a really odd statement. I'm not sure what "true gamer culture" is, but there is a good chance I come from a completely different country to you, have a completely different background and life experiences to you. Except I play video games. Not sure if you're serious or trolling here. As true gamer culture I describe people with a real appreciation for games (should be obvious). People who actually play and enjoy games (or create and mod them). Not people who are faking it for money, not people who are trying to push agendas onto gamers, just plain old gamers. And trust me, these are surprisingly rare in game media. You can call it unhealthy, the truth is often unhealthy. You can choose to remain ignorant about it, and patronize people like me. The fact is: Go out and ask kids, go and ask the people who play the most. They don't give a damn about game media and they are not involved in it at all. They just play their games.
- SCdF 10y ago
  > Not sure if you're serious or trolling here. I'm completely serious. I genuinely don't understand how you can pick some arbitrary rules and decide that the "other people" are not "true xyzers" and thus are invalid. > As true gamer culture I describe people with a real appreciation for games (should be obvious). People who actually play and enjoy games (or create and mod them). Great, I know lots of those people! I'm one of those people! Honestly, I don't really know anyone who doesn't enjoy games (who plays them that is). > Not people who are faking it for money, Great! Imagine if there were laws to make sure those people had to disclose when, why and how they were making money associated with games! > not people who are trying to push agendas onto gamers I'm trying really hard not to project the rest of the internet on to you, because I don't know you, and I'm sure you're a lovely person. It sounds though, like you're upset with certain "social" complaints that some people have had with games lately, i.e. being upset about women being over sexualised in games, or what not. With that in mind: I agree with a reasonable amount of that commentary. Does that make me not a "true" gamer? What is your yardstick here? More importantly, why does your opinion on who a "true gamer" is matter? > And trust me, these are surprisingly rare in game media I don't see it. And I don't see how you can see it either honestly. I feel like if the entire games media scene was bought and paid for by game companies someone would have actually written about it. This stuff generally gets reported on pretty well when it happens (see: Jeff Gerstman being fired for giving a low score to Kayne & Lynch, the Warner Bros issue we're talking about right now, etc). There are always people looking to expose something to make a name for themselves, and if anything like this actually existed someone would have done just that. And no, I don't count KIA / whatever ramblings. It sounds more like a bunch of people are saying things you don't agree with, and so you've decided they aren't "true gamers" so you can brush off what they're saying without having to really think about it. > You can call it unhealthy, the truth is often unhealthy. You can choose to remain ignorant about it, and patronize people like me. The fact is: Go out and ask kids, go and ask the people who play the most. They don't give a damn about game media and they are not involved in it at all. They just play their games. I'm not "choosing to remain ignorant", I'm disagreeing with you and what you're saying. Hopefully politely, apologies if it's not coming off that way.

by SCdF 10y ago

vlunkr 10y ago

> I'm not sure declaring some "true gamerness" test and segregating people who fit your expectations and those that don't is particularly healthy. This is exactly the problem with GamerGate. They think all games and game media are made specifically for them.

Kenji 10y ago

That's a really odd statement. I'm not sure what "true gamer culture" is, but there is a good chance I come from a completely different country to you, have a completely different background and life experiences to you. Except I play video games. Not sure if you're serious or trolling here. As true gamer culture I describe people with a real appreciation for games (should be obvious). People who actually play and enjoy games (or create and mod them). Not people who are faking it for money, not people who are trying to push agendas onto gamers, just plain old gamers. And trust me, these are surprisingly rare in game media. You can call it unhealthy, the truth is often unhealthy. You can choose to remain ignorant about it, and patronize people like me. The fact is: Go out and ask kids, go and ask the people who play the most. They don't give a damn about game media and they are not involved in it at all. They just play their games.

SCdF 10y ago
> Not sure if you're serious or trolling here. I'm completely serious. I genuinely don't understand how you can pick some arbitrary rules and decide that the "other people" are not "true xyzers" and thus are invalid. > As true gamer culture I describe people with a real appreciation for games (should be obvious). People who actually play and enjoy games (or create and mod them). Great, I know lots of those people! I'm one of those people! Honestly, I don't really know anyone who doesn't enjoy games (who plays them that is). > Not people who are faking it for money, Great! Imagine if there were laws to make sure those people had to disclose when, why and how they were making money associated with games! > not people who are trying to push agendas onto gamers I'm trying really hard not to project the rest of the internet on to you, because I don't know you, and I'm sure you're a lovely person. It sounds though, like you're upset with certain "social" complaints that some people have had with games lately, i.e. being upset about women being over sexualised in games, or what not. With that in mind: I agree with a reasonable amount of that commentary. Does that make me not a "true" gamer? What is your yardstick here? More importantly, why does your opinion on who a "true gamer" is matter? > And trust me, these are surprisingly rare in game media I don't see it. And I don't see how you can see it either honestly. I feel like if the entire games media scene was bought and paid for by game companies someone would have actually written about it. This stuff generally gets reported on pretty well when it happens (see: Jeff Gerstman being fired for giving a low score to Kayne & Lynch, the Warner Bros issue we're talking about right now, etc). There are always people looking to expose something to make a name for themselves, and if anything like this actually existed someone would have done just that. And no, I don't count KIA / whatever ramblings. It sounds more like a bunch of people are saying things you don't agree with, and so you've decided they aren't "true gamers" so you can brush off what they're saying without having to really think about it. > You can call it unhealthy, the truth is often unhealthy. You can choose to remain ignorant about it, and patronize people like me. The fact is: Go out and ask kids, go and ask the people who play the most. They don't give a damn about game media and they are not involved in it at all. They just play their games. I'm not "choosing to remain ignorant", I'm disagreeing with you and what you're saying. Hopefully politely, apologies if it's not coming off that way.