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You're talking about a government that recently made computer programming class a mandatory part of the high school curriculum. Your leap from "UK exits the EU"

You're talking about a government that recently made computer programming class a mandatory part of the high school curriculum. Your leap from "UK exits the EU" to "there will no longer be funding for computer science research" is based purely on your own emotions, not rational analysis. Like so much else I hear from pro-EU people these days.

pjc50 10y ago
The current funding is going away and there has not yet been an announcement of its replacement. The government has however spent years implementing "austerity" and attempting to cut public spending. It's very optimistic to think that any more money will be forthcoming.
- DanBC 10y ago
  Importantly the government has announced more austerity after the referendum.
saboot 10y ago
Yeah, you did not understand what he wrote. He specially mentions his program in North Wales which relies on EU funding.
ck425 10y ago
You can't deny there will be less funding, given the amount of funding we receive from the EU. Though hopefully the new PM will prioritise investment in research and hopefully given the strong technology sector in the UK CompSci will get a reasonable share of it. But that's still to be seen and given May's attitude toward technology experts and level of knowledge during the discussions around the Snoopers Charter I'm sceptical of her understanding and appreciation of the importance of the technology sector.
- sievebrain 10y ago
  The EU doesn't "fund" anything, the UK funds the EU by paying in more than it gets back out. It's literally the UK's own money being recycled through Brussels, except with extra rules and exchange rate risks thrown in. Whether or not research funding is cut is an entirely open question right now. Maybe it will be: the EU has effectively been overriding the austerity policies everyone else in the economy has had to deal with, and academias has benefited from that. But as no policies have been announced yet, nobody can know what will happen.
  - barrkel 10y ago
    We all know this. The UK has been funding a bureaucracy in the EU that in turn funds projects in impoverished areas of the UK (amongst others). It will need to replace that bureaucracy; the transaction and planning costs on everything on the drawing board to in progress right now, will not be cheap, quite apart from the direct funding costs. The replacement bureaucracy probably won't be cheaper either, since it will have less efficiencies of scale and less institutional experience. In short, "nobody can know what will happen" is expensive; it directly implies that the immediate short term will be costly.
    - sievebrain 10y ago
      That's not how EU funding works. It distributes funds with many rules attached, but implementing those rules is the job of local government bureaucracies not the EU. The EU regional development funds are notoriously wasteful, I wouldn't ascribe any value to scale or institutional experience.
      - programLyrique 10y ago
        > The EU regional development funds are notoriously wasteful Can you give references? Preferably not only one anecdotical example, and with comparisons with state development funds (especially from the UK).
        sievebrain 10y ago
king_phil 10y ago
I am pro EU AND pro Brexit, the latter from rational analysis. It will be a net win for me. My company does export telco services to the UK. After the UK leaving the EU the VAT will not apply any longer, so basically I net 20% more after taxes that go straight out of the pocket of the UK government into mine (btw: there is no competitor right now and none in sight...). Even if the UK is imposing the 4% max tariff I would net a 16% plus.

pjc50 10y ago

The current funding is going away and there has not yet been an announcement of its replacement. The government has however spent years implementing "austerity" and attempting to cut public spending. It's very optimistic to think that any more money will be forthcoming.

DanBC 10y ago
Importantly the government has announced more austerity after the referendum.

saboot 10y ago

Yeah, you did not understand what he wrote. He specially mentions his program in North Wales which relies on EU funding.

ck425 10y ago

You can't deny there will be less funding, given the amount of funding we receive from the EU. Though hopefully the new PM will prioritise investment in research and hopefully given the strong technology sector in the UK CompSci will get a reasonable share of it. But that's still to be seen and given May's attitude toward technology experts and level of knowledge during the discussions around the Snoopers Charter I'm sceptical of her understanding and appreciation of the importance of the technology sector.

sievebrain 10y ago
The EU doesn't "fund" anything, the UK funds the EU by paying in more than it gets back out. It's literally the UK's own money being recycled through Brussels, except with extra rules and exchange rate risks thrown in. Whether or not research funding is cut is an entirely open question right now. Maybe it will be: the EU has effectively been overriding the austerity policies everyone else in the economy has had to deal with, and academias has benefited from that. But as no policies have been announced yet, nobody can know what will happen.
- barrkel 10y ago
  We all know this. The UK has been funding a bureaucracy in the EU that in turn funds projects in impoverished areas of the UK (amongst others). It will need to replace that bureaucracy; the transaction and planning costs on everything on the drawing board to in progress right now, will not be cheap, quite apart from the direct funding costs. The replacement bureaucracy probably won't be cheaper either, since it will have less efficiencies of scale and less institutional experience. In short, "nobody can know what will happen" is expensive; it directly implies that the immediate short term will be costly.
  - sievebrain 10y ago
    That's not how EU funding works. It distributes funds with many rules attached, but implementing those rules is the job of local government bureaucracies not the EU. The EU regional development funds are notoriously wasteful, I wouldn't ascribe any value to scale or institutional experience.
    - programLyrique 10y ago
      > The EU regional development funds are notoriously wasteful Can you give references? Preferably not only one anecdotical example, and with comparisons with state development funds (especially from the UK).
      - sievebrain 10y ago

king_phil 10y ago

I am pro EU AND pro Brexit, the latter from rational analysis. It will be a net win for me. My company does export telco services to the UK. After the UK leaving the EU the VAT will not apply any longer, so basically I net 20% more after taxes that go straight out of the pocket of the UK government into mine (btw: there is no competitor right now and none in sight...). Even if the UK is imposing the 4% max tariff I would net a 16% plus.