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Exactly, they warned that the EU would be as punitive as possible. Their reaction to Brexit it shows that was necessary.
by mason240 10y ago
Exactly, they warned that the EU would be as punitive as possible. Their reaction to Brexit it shows that was necessary.
- DasIch 10y agoThe UK not getting the same things a EU member would get is not being punitive.
- Chris2048 10y agoIs is if it is of mutual benefit, except to the EU in general.
- throwaway-hn123 10y agoNo, it still isn't being punitive.
- Chris2048 10y agoThen how do you define punitive?
- mpweiher 10y agoWut? There are certain benefits you get by being a member of this club. I am leaving your club. Then you no longer get the benefits that members of the club get. YOU ARE UNFAIRLY PUNISHING ME!!!!
- sievebrain 10y agoIt makes no sense for relations between countries to be structured as an exclusive "club". This just retards progress and leads to stagnation when it becomes impossible to get all the members of the "club" to agree.
- epistasis 10y agoIt makes every bit of sense. When governments differ, the laws differ, and the free exchange of research money is slowed. When you're in the same "club" you can be assured of how things will go. When a country decides that it wants to leave the club because they want to have their own rules that are different, and that they don't want to share finances, then that makes agreements take longer.
- sievebrain 10y agoFree exchange of research money has no requirement to be connected to immigration or trade policy, these are unrelated things. Countries can easily collaborate on research without something like the EU, as evidenced by the number of CS papers I read that are for example USA/Israeli collaborations. The EU is failing because its blind, ideological insistence on connecting lots of unrelated things together to make an artificial club (really: the beginnings of a new country). The EU's petulant "retaliation" is treated by far too many as a given, when in reality it is a policy choice driven by a quasi-religious devotion to an abstract vision.
- scott_s 10y agoIt's been an organizing practice for states for a long time. On the loose end, you have treaty organizations, and on the strict end, you have states mutually agreeing to cede power to a federal authority. The EU was somewhere in the middle.
- tobltobs 10y agoDon't tell this the Scotts ...
- sievebrain 10y agoThe UK is not a club and has clear power structures that mean there is no need to get Scotland to agree to things in order for them to happen, as evidenced by the referendum.
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