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Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys
- Swizec 10y agoThis part seems a little bit ironic "Though she would have preferred to keep her private information private". Is that not why she's come into the public eye? For releasing private information that some people would have preferred to keep private? This isn't a comment on whether her leak was the right thing to do or not, just the whole "Treat others like you want others to treat you".
- andrewchambers 10y agoThe two cases are hardly comparable.
- adam12 10y ago> Is that not why she's come into the public eye? Yeah, for releasing someones health info. Do yourself a favor and do a little research before commenting on a public forum.
- lacksrigor7373 10y agoAsk yourself what value to society do Chelsea create with her leak? Then ask, what value does broadcasting her health status everywhere provide society? Hopefully this will help inform you of the differences in these separate acts, since it seems to have blown right by you at light speed.
- alsetmusic 10y ago> Ask yourself what value to society do Chelsea create with her leak? > Then ask, what value does broadcasting her health status everywhere provide society? (Not who you replied to, but...) I believe Chelsea Manning deserves privacy for an issue such as this, but also hope that the situation will (at least) make more people contemplate the extreme nature of solitary. I would be undone fifty times by now if I were isolated by force.
- tunesmith 10y agoYou are entirely overlooking the question of whether the public should have the right to know the private information, which was what drove Manning's motivations. "Information that some people would have preferred to keep private" is a general statement that could be applied to anything from a teenage girl's diary to an impending nuclear attack. To handwave that away is to make the entire matter meaningless.
- rhizome 10y agoYou're getting plenty of feedback here, but you might want to read up on "category error" as to your sense of the privacy concepts you use.
- gozur88 10y agoThe problem with this is that Manning released, along with some things you could argue the public has a right to know, all the other data diplomats and spies had collected. Did we all need to know salacious details about Muammar Gaddafi's "voluptuous" Ukrainian nurse? That seems very much the same kind of data to me.
- exolymph 10y agoPublic figures, especially those with substantial power, have less of a right to privacy in general than random citizens.
- PhasmaFelis 10y agoYou have confused human rights with governmental rights.
- rdl 10y agoWhen you write a letter to someone facing 20+ years more in prison, who has just tried to kill herself, what do you say? I'm kind of at a loss for words -- "hope you get well soon?" "hope you are out of the hospital and back to your, uh, home soon?" https://www.chelseamanning.org/learn-more/write-to-chelsea-manning https://www.chelseamanning.org/learn-more/write-to-chelsea-m...
- DasIch 10y agoHow about not touching on that at all? Surely she hears more than enough on that already and is confronted with it when she's not reading about it also. Something that has nothing to do with her and her current situation, something that allows her to escape her situation at least in her mind for a little bit, would probably be welcome. If I were in that situation, I believe I would appreciate that anyway.
- rdl 10y agoProbably a good idea. Yan wrote about her visit and she seemed interested in current affairs/etc. (plus writes articles, including one which went out on 3 July)
- droopyEyelids 10y agoWhen the whole official world is against you, it'd be comforting to hear that there are people, even if strangers, who believe in you and appreciate you.
- zackelan 10y agoThe best-case scenario for the people keeping her in prison is that we forget about her, and she spends years there, forgotten by the rest of the world. The letter I mailed to Chelsea this weekend said "you have not been forgotten". That's it. One sheet of paper and a sharpie. Nothing that could give whoever censors her mail an excuse to throw my letter out. Her birthday is December 17th. I added a reminder to my calendar to send one each December 1st, to allow for processing time through the prison mail. One stamp and one letter can make a difference in someone's life, and Amnesty International has recommended mailing prisoners on their birthday. http://blog.amnestyusa.org/asia/on-your-birthday-you-are-not-forgotten/ http://blog.amnestyusa.org/asia/on-your-birthday-you-are-not...
- themartorana 10y agoIs anyone surprised she's suicidal? Locked in solitary confinement, for a minimum of 8 years (probably a lot more), at the hands of an obviously vindictive government - I imagine that by now I would have tried to kill myself too.
- andrewchambers 10y agoIt makes me wonder if the will of the people who want her pardoned could help her, or if it is actually hopeless.
- zackelan 10y agoHer best hope for a pardon will come at the end of President Obama's term. Legally, presidents can issue these at any time, but because of the possible political fallout the majority of them come during the "lame duck" period after an election. https://www.justice.gov/pardon/gwbush-pardons#nov24-08 https://www.justice.gov/pardon/gwbush-pardons#nov24-08 https://www.justice.gov/pardon/gwbush-commutations#novone https://www.justice.gov/pardon/gwbush-commutations#novone https://www.justice.gov/pardon/clinton-pardons#november212000 https://www.justice.gov/pardon/clinton-pardons#november21200... https://www.justice.gov/pardon/clinton-commutations#novtwo https://www.justice.gov/pardon/clinton-commutations#novtwo If you want to encourage Obama to do this, contact information for the White House can be found at https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/write-or-call https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/write-or-call
- ams6110 10y agoTransgenders have an alarmingly high suicide rate even without those factors piled on.
- foota 10y agoHopefully not too off topic, but I believe the preferred nomenclature is more along the lines of "People who are transgender" (though I could be wrong and would appreciate someone saying so)
- grizzles 10y agoThis really puts the whole Hillary Clinton email scandal into perspective, huh? The message seems to be that if you leak classified data to the American people you get a big punishment, whereas if you leak classified data carelessly (Clinton) or for your girlfriend's book (Petraeus) the most you can expect is a slap on the wrist. That's f ed up.
- sliverstorm 10y agoI'm not a fan of her, but no one has showed Clinton leaked it, to my knowledge. She emailed it insecurely, but to people with appropriate clearance.
- sparky_z 10y agoTo be fair, it's pretty standard for crimes to have differing punishments depending on whether they were accidental or purposeful. Sometimes they're even considered different crimes entirely (i.e., murder vs manslaughter). (I'm not defending Chelsea's treatment here. I just think it's odd that grizzles has singled out this particular aspect of the situation as worthy of outrage.)
- grizzles 10y agoPetraeus did it for sex. He got a fine, and no prison time.
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