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You make a fair point. But i want to be honest and say the negativity is not all prejudice. I have been involved with hiring of devs in India and Europe, and fr

by Joeri 10y ago

You make a fair point. But i want to be honest and say the negativity is not all prejudice. I have been involved with hiring of devs in India and Europe, and from what i've seen the ratio of bad to good candidates is far worse in india than europe. I don't know why this is the case. My suspicion is that far more Indians get into IT for money or status. People who go into IT for those reasons almost always are mediocre to poor devs. Regardless, i don't see this google training program improving the ratio.

akshatpradhan 10y ago
>Regardless, i don't see this google training program improving the ratio. I don't understand. Training is training. If you don't think training improves the ratio of good to bad developers, then why do we have all these training programs in the US like Coursera or Stanford's Open Computer Science Courses? The reason we have MIT Open Courseware is to train and improve developers...thereby improving the ratio of good to bad developers. That logic holds true for any training program. The Google Training Program should improve the ratio as well.
sumitgt 10y ago
I totally agree with you on this. The kind of IT devs usually associated with mediocre work are typically not the ones who are going to end up taking advantage of these courses. My experience is that they are typically just interested in doing the bare minimum needed and don't have to curiosity needed to improve or learn new things. Forget about them.They form a small percentage of the 1.3 Billion population and unfortunately are the ones most people end up interacting with when outsourcing dev work to India. This is unfortunate. However, on the other hand, there is huge generation of college age kids who look up to famous founders and CEOs (Zuckerberg, Nadella, Pichai, etc.) and aspire to start companies and write kick-ass apps. Traditionally, it has been difficult to get access to good quality training material in India for a variety of reasons: lack of internet connectivity, lack of good CS curriculum and teachers in most colleges, lack of maker spaces and maker culture, and so on. I am not making excuses for those people, but when you have a 512 Kbps internet connection, watching Google IO sessions on YouTube is a struggle. Growing up, I was lucky to have access to all resources I needed, but a lot of other people weren't. My hope here is that this sort of training schemes coupled with the internet access Google is rolling out across the country really helps people who really want to learn. The program mentioned in the article: "NPTEL" has a good track record of making quality content available to universities and libraries. Tl;dr: I am painfully aware of the bad experiences people have on outsourced projects. This program is going to attract a different crowd of people.

by Joeri 10y ago

akshatpradhan 10y ago

>Regardless, i don't see this google training program improving the ratio. I don't understand. Training is training. If you don't think training improves the ratio of good to bad developers, then why do we have all these training programs in the US like Coursera or Stanford's Open Computer Science Courses? The reason we have MIT Open Courseware is to train and improve developers...thereby improving the ratio of good to bad developers. That logic holds true for any training program. The Google Training Program should improve the ratio as well.

sumitgt 10y ago

I totally agree with you on this. The kind of IT devs usually associated with mediocre work are typically not the ones who are going to end up taking advantage of these courses. My experience is that they are typically just interested in doing the bare minimum needed and don't have to curiosity needed to improve or learn new things. Forget about them.They form a small percentage of the 1.3 Billion population and unfortunately are the ones most people end up interacting with when outsourcing dev work to India. This is unfortunate. However, on the other hand, there is huge generation of college age kids who look up to famous founders and CEOs (Zuckerberg, Nadella, Pichai, etc.) and aspire to start companies and write kick-ass apps. Traditionally, it has been difficult to get access to good quality training material in India for a variety of reasons: lack of internet connectivity, lack of good CS curriculum and teachers in most colleges, lack of maker spaces and maker culture, and so on. I am not making excuses for those people, but when you have a 512 Kbps internet connection, watching Google IO sessions on YouTube is a struggle. Growing up, I was lucky to have access to all resources I needed, but a lot of other people weren't. My hope here is that this sort of training schemes coupled with the internet access Google is rolling out across the country really helps people who really want to learn. The program mentioned in the article: "NPTEL" has a good track record of making quality content available to universities and libraries. Tl;dr: I am painfully aware of the bad experiences people have on outsourced projects. This program is going to attract a different crowd of people.