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If you're alluding to the Philando Castile shooting, he wasn't pulled over because of his tail lights, which were actually working[1]. Rather, the police office

by wl 10y ago

If you're alluding to the Philando Castile shooting, he wasn't pulled over because of his tail lights, which were actually working[1]. Rather, the police officer thought that Castile looked like a robbery suspect[2] and the tail light thing was just a pretext. [1] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3681591/That-taillight-working-fine-Witness-rubbishes-police-claim-Philando-Castile-death-streamed-Facebook-pulled-busted-light-car.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3681591/That-taillig... [2] http://www.kare11.com/news/police-scanner-audio-1/267042738 http://www.kare11.com/news/police-scanner-audio-1/267042738

jedmeyers 10y ago
It would have been unwise to tell a robbery suspect "please sit tight since I think you look similar to the robber from the recent BOLO alert [1]". If the person is not the actual robber it would bring unnecessary tension; and if he is, then he will know that there is already no way out, since the police is onto him. [1] BOLO - "Be on the lookout"
jsprogrammer 10y ago
Your #2 link says that the relevant police have not confirmed the authenticity of the recording from an unnamed source..and the article was posted three days ago and contains 9 spamvertisements.
- wl 10y ago
  The #2 link seems to be the closest we have to the original source. It's a news gathering operation run by the CBS broadcast television affiliate in the MSP region where the events in question transpired. The person making the scanner recording hasn't posted it anywhere that I know of. If you know of a better source, I'll gladly change the link, but this is the source everyone else is ultimately linking to. As for the police not verifying the recording, that's not unusual. Police don't tend to comment on pending investigations unless they need something from the public. In any case, the shooter's attorney has largely confirmed the information in the recording[1]. It could still be a fake, but if it is, it's a good one based on information not publicly available until days later. [1] http://www.startribune.com/lawyer-castile-pulled-over-because-he-matched-robbery-suspect/386221031/ http://www.startribune.com/lawyer-castile-pulled-over-becaus...
  - jsprogrammer 10y ago
    I'd think a news gathering operation would have their own recordings to check and verify. I don't see a quote from the attorney in support of the claim that the stop was called in. If the call was already broadcast, I don't see why it couldn't be confirmed. Is this source the only one recording?
    - wl 10y ago
      I linked to that additional article as confirmation that the shooter thought that Castile looked like a robbery suspect. While the article doesn't have any direct quotes to that effect, it paraphrases him saying as much. The claim that the shooter called in the stop before he made it is unremarkable because that's standard practice. In fact, it'd be more unusual if he hadn't called it in. Doubly so when stopping a suspected armed robber. A big reason why officers call in every stop is so that if the stop goes sideways and they are never heard from again, at least dispatch got the plate so investigators know where to begin. I'd wager most news operations use Radio Reference these days rather than worry running all that gear and archiving all that audio themselves. Some of the relevant streams were down that night[1], probably explaining why there aren't other copies floating around. [1] http://forums.radioreference.com/broadcastify-live-audio-listener-support/336321-missing-audio-archives.html http://forums.radioreference.com/broadcastify-live-audio-lis...
      - jsprogrammer 10y ago
        I'd wager you can setup a scanner and more than a year of storage for <$100. The total volume of the setup would be a very small cube that would just need to be attached to an antenna. There is really no excuse not to be doing it at this point. Especially when third parties are proven unreliable.
tim333 10y ago
That was one time. He was pulled over another 51 times prior to that apparently. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/stopped-52-times-by-police-was-it-racial-profiling/2016/07/09/81fe882a-4595-11e6-a76d-3550dba926ac_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/stopped-52-times-by-...

by wl 10y ago

jedmeyers 10y ago

It would have been unwise to tell a robbery suspect "please sit tight since I think you look similar to the robber from the recent BOLO alert [1]". If the person is not the actual robber it would bring unnecessary tension; and if he is, then he will know that there is already no way out, since the police is onto him. [1] BOLO - "Be on the lookout"

jsprogrammer 10y ago

Your #2 link says that the relevant police have not confirmed the authenticity of the recording from an unnamed source..and the article was posted three days ago and contains 9 spamvertisements.

wl 10y ago
The #2 link seems to be the closest we have to the original source. It's a news gathering operation run by the CBS broadcast television affiliate in the MSP region where the events in question transpired. The person making the scanner recording hasn't posted it anywhere that I know of. If you know of a better source, I'll gladly change the link, but this is the source everyone else is ultimately linking to. As for the police not verifying the recording, that's not unusual. Police don't tend to comment on pending investigations unless they need something from the public. In any case, the shooter's attorney has largely confirmed the information in the recording[1]. It could still be a fake, but if it is, it's a good one based on information not publicly available until days later. [1] http://www.startribune.com/lawyer-castile-pulled-over-because-he-matched-robbery-suspect/386221031/ http://www.startribune.com/lawyer-castile-pulled-over-becaus...
- jsprogrammer 10y ago
  I'd think a news gathering operation would have their own recordings to check and verify. I don't see a quote from the attorney in support of the claim that the stop was called in. If the call was already broadcast, I don't see why it couldn't be confirmed. Is this source the only one recording?
  - wl 10y ago
    I linked to that additional article as confirmation that the shooter thought that Castile looked like a robbery suspect. While the article doesn't have any direct quotes to that effect, it paraphrases him saying as much. The claim that the shooter called in the stop before he made it is unremarkable because that's standard practice. In fact, it'd be more unusual if he hadn't called it in. Doubly so when stopping a suspected armed robber. A big reason why officers call in every stop is so that if the stop goes sideways and they are never heard from again, at least dispatch got the plate so investigators know where to begin. I'd wager most news operations use Radio Reference these days rather than worry running all that gear and archiving all that audio themselves. Some of the relevant streams were down that night[1], probably explaining why there aren't other copies floating around. [1] http://forums.radioreference.com/broadcastify-live-audio-listener-support/336321-missing-audio-archives.html http://forums.radioreference.com/broadcastify-live-audio-lis...
    - jsprogrammer 10y ago
      I'd wager you can setup a scanner and more than a year of storage for <$100. The total volume of the setup would be a very small cube that would just need to be attached to an antenna. There is really no excuse not to be doing it at this point. Especially when third parties are proven unreliable.

tim333 10y ago

That was one time. He was pulled over another 51 times prior to that apparently. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/stopped-52-times-by-police-was-it-racial-profiling/2016/07/09/81fe882a-4595-11e6-a76d-3550dba926ac_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/stopped-52-times-by-...