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When I see the word "training", I take it to mean that the people taking part learn just enough to get started, but not really enough to make something of quali

When I see the word "training", I take it to mean that the people taking part learn just enough to get started, but not really enough to make something of quality. That part requires more self-sacrifice, more learning, and some people do that. But not everyone. Something I get discouraged by is when coding schools lure students by talking about salaries, because the people who are really motivated by that oftentimes don't invest the extra time to get good. They see a quick paycheck, and they signup, they put in just enough work, and then they take off. Maybe they'll put in the extra work because they're still motivated to either make more money or because they genuinely like coding, but this doesn't always happen. In highly industrialized economies I've noticed a lot of people give up when they realize that their training doesn't give them enough to make the money they were hoping for, unless they decide to put in more self-sacrifice. If you live in an economy where the US dollar has more purchasing power, then the money that comes out of basic training might be enough to satisfy people. They got their quick paycheck. They don't have to learn the extra stuff, the stuff that makes you really good. That's where my negativity stems from. I'll admit, just a theory, one that I've come up with to rationalize patterns when people hire me to fix outsourced projects. There's nothing inherently wrong with any country and the software developers that work there. It's a universal human desire to make money relatively painlessly and the disparities between wealth in different economies.

akshatpradhan 10y ago
>When I see the word "training", I take it to mean that the people taking part learn just enough to get started, but not really enough to make something of quality. That's where my negativity stems from. You could say this very same thing about Coursera or MIT Open Courseware. And you're right, people in Coursera sometimes learn just enough to get started but nothing more. That's just the thing, "Learning just enough to get started" is not an Indian Specific phenomenon. People dropping out of training courses happens all over the world and that's normal when Educating and Training. If Google's "training" gives you a negative feeling, then your negativity should be directed towards Coursera and MIT Open Courseware and other Training Institutes, not just Google's Training Courses for Indians.
- Bjorkbat 10y ago
  That's why I put all that other stuff in there. The problem is that in more industrialized economies novices quickly figure out that their skills aren't really worth much and that they'll have to get much, much better in order make more money. They might just do that, especially if they also like programming, or they'll just give up and do something else. In less industrialized economies, or at the very least economies where the US dollar has a lot of purchasing power, the "novice rate" is actually quite a lot, so much that unless you really like programming you might not have any desire to get better, you just settle for a novice skill set, continue working for overseas contracts for $8 an hour, and produce low-quality Android apps that become the ire of people like me. Also, people generally take Coursera and MIT Open Courseware for intrinsic reasons. I took a course on Coursera a while back about logic because I found it interesting. Very few people would take a course on logic to make money off of it. By contrast, more people taking a short Android development training take it for extrinsic reasons. They want to make money. Again, in countries where the the US Dollar has a lot of purchasing power compared to the local currency and $8 an hour to make an Android app is worthwhile, there's little incentive to improve and get better if you're primarily motivated by the money factor, unless you're especially interested in making even more money, otherwise you'll likely just settle.

akshatpradhan 10y ago

>When I see the word "training", I take it to mean that the people taking part learn just enough to get started, but not really enough to make something of quality. That's where my negativity stems from. You could say this very same thing about Coursera or MIT Open Courseware. And you're right, people in Coursera sometimes learn just enough to get started but nothing more. That's just the thing, "Learning just enough to get started" is not an Indian Specific phenomenon. People dropping out of training courses happens all over the world and that's normal when Educating and Training. If Google's "training" gives you a negative feeling, then your negativity should be directed towards Coursera and MIT Open Courseware and other Training Institutes, not just Google's Training Courses for Indians.

Bjorkbat 10y ago
That's why I put all that other stuff in there. The problem is that in more industrialized economies novices quickly figure out that their skills aren't really worth much and that they'll have to get much, much better in order make more money. They might just do that, especially if they also like programming, or they'll just give up and do something else. In less industrialized economies, or at the very least economies where the US dollar has a lot of purchasing power, the "novice rate" is actually quite a lot, so much that unless you really like programming you might not have any desire to get better, you just settle for a novice skill set, continue working for overseas contracts for $8 an hour, and produce low-quality Android apps that become the ire of people like me. Also, people generally take Coursera and MIT Open Courseware for intrinsic reasons. I took a course on Coursera a while back about logic because I found it interesting. Very few people would take a course on logic to make money off of it. By contrast, more people taking a short Android development training take it for extrinsic reasons. They want to make money. Again, in countries where the the US Dollar has a lot of purchasing power compared to the local currency and $8 an hour to make an Android app is worthwhile, there's little incentive to improve and get better if you're primarily motivated by the money factor, unless you're especially interested in making even more money, otherwise you'll likely just settle.