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>the US detests cyclists and disregards their deaths. to be fair, many cyclists in the US ignore traffic laws wholesale

• bloodorange 10y ago
  That is no excuse for a death sentence. Many cyclists do this in the Netherlands too and in the period that I have lived there, I haven't seen them treated that way on the roads.
  • wila 10y ago
    If a car hits a cyclist or pedestrian in Holland, the car is -by definition- at fault. See [1] link in dutch. Free translation of the first part: Cyclist or pedestrians are seen as the weaker traffic participants. Because they are fragile in traffic the law has a special rule on collisions with a motorized vehicle. The driver in the car is responsible for the damage of the cyclist without his guilt having to be proven. [1] http://www.anwb.nl/juridisch-advies/aanrijding-en-dan/aansprakelijkheid/voetganger-of-fietser http://www.anwb.nl/juridisch-advies/aanrijding-en-dan/aanspr...
    • tzs 10y ago
      It looks like the driver does have the possibility of proving that he was not guilty, and if successful limiting his reponsibility to half the damages: https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2013/02/21/strict-liability-in-the-netherlands/ https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2013/02/21/strict-liabili...
      • wila 10y ago
        The article i linked to discussed some of the exceptions. It is very difficult for the driver to prove. For example hitting a cyclist who crossed a red light is still your fault. Only cases where the driver could not possibly do anything to prevent the accident are considered.
• rconti 10y ago
  Well, that's a disingenuous use of "to be fair".