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> homogeneous society [...] Scandinavian fetish Foreign-born population of Sweden: 16% Foreign-born population of Norway: 13.9% Foreign-born population of USA:

by cplanas 10y ago

> homogeneous society [...] Scandinavian fetish Foreign-born population of Sweden: 16% Foreign-born population of Norway: 13.9% Foreign-born population of USA: 13.1% https://data.oecd.org/migration/foreign-born-population.htm https://data.oecd.org/migration/foreign-born-population.htm

sremani 10y ago
how convenient, to pick and make it native vs foreign born? you know better than that! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_State...
- bunnymancer 10y ago
  Convenient in the sense of that most countries don't collect race demographics and there isn't any other data, or convenient in the sense of you having little to offer as a retort?
  - sremani 10y ago
    Convenient in a sense you cherry pick and overfit data to prove Finland is more diverse than America.
- cplanas 10y ago
  Diversity, as understood as a possible problem for social cohesion, is not about race: it's about culture. And the vast majority of Americans in the US have only one culture: the American one. The exception for this is first (and sometimes second) generation immigrants. That's why I use the native vs foreign born statistic.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    > And the vast majority of Americans in the US have only one culture: the American one. I don't think there is one unifying American culture. There are some common cultural elements, but there are fairly distinct regional (as well as racial/ethnic) cultures in the US.
    - cplanas 10y ago
      I think those common cultural elements form the American culture. Having fairly distinct regional cultures, and even languages, is not uncommon. If the US would not share a culture, intra-US migration would be a big issue, as it is in the EU.
      - dragonwriter 10y ago
        > If the US would not share a culture, intra-US migration would be a big issue, as it is in the EU. Migration (and simply interaction) across some of the internal cultural divides (especially the ones closely tied to race/ethnicity) is a big deal (you know those big problems with race/ethnicity the US has -- that's a big part of them). The regional variations are less of a big deal not because the regional cultures aren't distinct, but because the regional cultural areas are far bigger than in Europe, and the US has better inter-region support structures, which -- outside of rare major crises -- reduce mass internal migrations across those regional cultural divides. (When there have been mass internal migrations, culture clashes and problems with migrants similar to those seen in Europe have occurred in the US, but I don't think there's been a big internal dislocation of that type since the 1930s Dust Bowl.)
  - civilian 10y ago
    Ah, there are many different cultures among the people who are born with American citizenship. It's common-sense to me that most of the races have their own culture. (Although, admitting that it's common sense to me makes me wonder why sociology we have to back it up.) A lot of my friends in high school were Chinese-American. They spoke without accent, and most of their families actually came via Taiwan, but their culture and values and family structure were distinctly different. Also, shoes-off in their home! And even among whites, there are distinct cultures. I was confused why I didn't enjoy living in Massachusetts, until I read this: http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/04/27/book-review-albions-seed/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/04/27/book-review-albions-see... and it started to make more sense. I've got Borderer roots :)

by cplanas 10y ago

sremani 10y ago

how convenient, to pick and make it native vs foreign born? you know better than that! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_State...

bunnymancer 10y ago
Convenient in the sense of that most countries don't collect race demographics and there isn't any other data, or convenient in the sense of you having little to offer as a retort?
- sremani 10y ago
  Convenient in a sense you cherry pick and overfit data to prove Finland is more diverse than America.
cplanas 10y ago
Diversity, as understood as a possible problem for social cohesion, is not about race: it's about culture. And the vast majority of Americans in the US have only one culture: the American one. The exception for this is first (and sometimes second) generation immigrants. That's why I use the native vs foreign born statistic.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > And the vast majority of Americans in the US have only one culture: the American one. I don't think there is one unifying American culture. There are some common cultural elements, but there are fairly distinct regional (as well as racial/ethnic) cultures in the US.
  - cplanas 10y ago
    I think those common cultural elements form the American culture. Having fairly distinct regional cultures, and even languages, is not uncommon. If the US would not share a culture, intra-US migration would be a big issue, as it is in the EU.
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      > If the US would not share a culture, intra-US migration would be a big issue, as it is in the EU. Migration (and simply interaction) across some of the internal cultural divides (especially the ones closely tied to race/ethnicity) is a big deal (you know those big problems with race/ethnicity the US has -- that's a big part of them). The regional variations are less of a big deal not because the regional cultures aren't distinct, but because the regional cultural areas are far bigger than in Europe, and the US has better inter-region support structures, which -- outside of rare major crises -- reduce mass internal migrations across those regional cultural divides. (When there have been mass internal migrations, culture clashes and problems with migrants similar to those seen in Europe have occurred in the US, but I don't think there's been a big internal dislocation of that type since the 1930s Dust Bowl.)
- civilian 10y ago
  Ah, there are many different cultures among the people who are born with American citizenship. It's common-sense to me that most of the races have their own culture. (Although, admitting that it's common sense to me makes me wonder why sociology we have to back it up.) A lot of my friends in high school were Chinese-American. They spoke without accent, and most of their families actually came via Taiwan, but their culture and values and family structure were distinctly different. Also, shoes-off in their home! And even among whites, there are distinct cultures. I was confused why I didn't enjoy living in Massachusetts, until I read this: http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/04/27/book-review-albions-seed/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/04/27/book-review-albions-see... and it started to make more sense. I've got Borderer roots :)