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I'm Brazilian. UFC is a big success here. Sometimes we think that Humanity is evolving, but then we see that we are back to the gladiators era. This stuff make

by neves 10y ago

I'm Brazilian. UFC is a big success here. Sometimes we think that Humanity is evolving, but then we see that we are back to the gladiators era. This stuff makes me really sad:-(

JayHost 10y ago
I imagine UFC fighters will have bad brain damage when they get older so while "Voluntary" and "lots of money" are decent arguments... Do these people know what they are getting themselves into and how does that compare to Porn? Feel free to answer however... I'm genuinely curious.
- douche 10y ago
  If anything, it looks less dangerous than regular boxing, or an NFL wideout going over the middle and getting laid out by a strong safety.
- hyperion2010 10y ago
  Compared to boxers the UFC guys experience much less brain related trauma because fights usually end after a single blow to the head instead of 10+.
- antoniuschan99 10y ago
  It's quite sad, it seems to be on the same level as wwe or boxing. Mark Coleman seems to be deteriorating really fast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFkw1YyipIM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFkw1YyipIM
  - MRSallee 10y ago
    Thanks for linking this video. I had no idea Coleman was in this shape. He's just 51.
    - antoniuschan99 10y ago
      Yea I know eh? And Randleman died earlier this year too :(. Have you heard stories of Roger Mayweather wandering around and getting lost? Hes deteriorating really fast as well.
zackbloom 10y ago
It's rare for anyone to die fighting in the UFC, that makes it at least somewhat different than gladiatorial combat. It is also an incredibly technical sport, it has come a long way from the brawls of its early years.
- thinkpad20 10y ago
  No one has died fighting in the UFC, although it has happened (only 4 times to date in the US) in other organizations[0]. I'm sure one day it will happen in the UFC and there will be a lot of hand-wringing, but the injury rate is comparable to any high-impact sport like boxing or football. The risk of head injury might even be less than boxing because there's no standing 8 count and there are more ways to win without the head being attacked. Referees are generally very well-trained and the overriding imperative is fighter safety. Not to whitewash or anything; it's a bloody and violent sport to be sure. But I think that it's much more civilized than non-fans tend to realize. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatalities_in_mixed_martial_arts_contests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatalities_in_mixed_martial_ar...
  - forgetsusername 10y ago
    >Referees are generally very well-trained and the overriding imperative is fighter safety. I don't know if I'd agree with either of these statements, as we saw this weekend. First, UFC events seem inundated with horrible stoppages. Early stoppages are annoying, but at least they're safe. Late stoppages still abound, though. Lauzon vs Sanchez was a good example of this. But these guys were put on the card to smash, so the ref made sure the fans got their money worth. We got to watch Sanchez stumble around on his feet in a daze. For the second, the referees seem to be most concerned about the entertainment of the fans, first and foremost. Forcing Cormier and Silva into a stand-up on multiple occasions Saturday night is an example here. The refs are more than happy to force people to go toe-to-toe.
SEJeff 10y ago
Question: Why is UFC such a big deal when Vale Tudo has been around (in Brazil) since the what, 1920s? I've done martial arts much of my adult life and have been doing BJJ for the past several. I always found this weird.
- danso 10y ago
  UFC is more than an art, it is a competition backed by an organization with opinionated rules and a huge marketing budget. It'd be like asking, "Why is Coca Cola such a big deal when we've had sweetened caffeinated drinks for centuries?"
- 83457 10y ago
  That is such a strange question. Vale Tudo is synonymous with MMA. UFC is a brand of MMA events, products, etc. UFC is currently the most recognizable and successful MMA promotion in the world. I guess to answer your question, the UFC is a big deal because they were the first promotion to bring MMA to the global audience and have been 1000x more successful doing so than anyone else before their existence. This is little different than asking why the NBA is a big deal, why the NHL is a big deal, etc when basketball, hockey, etc existed for many years before those leagues formed.
- sbarre 10y ago
  Because marketing.. I say this jokingly but I mean it. The success of the UFC is because it was treated as a business, not as a sport.
atom-morgan 10y ago
This is controlled, isolated, and voluntary violence. Why would it make you sad? I think it's fantastic.
- dajohnson89 10y ago
  How do you feel about the gladiators fighting? They were slaves who risked life and limb for the entertainment of others. While UFC fighters get paid, others have pointed out here that it often isn't much.
  - tlrobinson 10y ago
    The key word of atom-morgan's comment is "voluntary".
    - atom-morgan 10y ago
      Correct. I have no problem with voluntary violence. To many in the sport becoming a great fighter is no different than aspirations in this community to start a great startup. The only difference is people on HN wouldn't do what they do at their salary. Value is relative.
- powercf 10y ago
  I can't speak for the GP, but it's (apparent) popularity worries me. It is a brutal sport, with some of the dregs of society participating at the highest levels (here's an interview between two competitors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTzhVVIjLCE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTzhVVIjLCE). I don't think I would have an issue with UFC etc. if the fighters could show a little class and some respect for each other. As it stands I think it supplies very bad role-models for teenage and 20 year old males it is surely popular with.
  - lightbyte 10y ago
    Those interviews are all for show and to build up hype, they don't actually dislike each other.
brbrodude 10y ago
Brasilian, too. This is very fallacious reasoning.
proc0 10y ago
Humanity is evolving.. into freak athletes.

by neves 10y ago

I'm Brazilian. UFC is a big success here. Sometimes we think that Humanity is evolving, but then we see that we are back to the gladiators era. This stuff makes me really sad:-(

JayHost 10y ago

I imagine UFC fighters will have bad brain damage when they get older so while "Voluntary" and "lots of money" are decent arguments... Do these people know what they are getting themselves into and how does that compare to Porn? Feel free to answer however... I'm genuinely curious.

douche 10y ago
If anything, it looks less dangerous than regular boxing, or an NFL wideout going over the middle and getting laid out by a strong safety.
hyperion2010 10y ago
Compared to boxers the UFC guys experience much less brain related trauma because fights usually end after a single blow to the head instead of 10+.
antoniuschan99 10y ago
It's quite sad, it seems to be on the same level as wwe or boxing. Mark Coleman seems to be deteriorating really fast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFkw1YyipIM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFkw1YyipIM
- MRSallee 10y ago
  Thanks for linking this video. I had no idea Coleman was in this shape. He's just 51.
  - antoniuschan99 10y ago
    Yea I know eh? And Randleman died earlier this year too :(. Have you heard stories of Roger Mayweather wandering around and getting lost? Hes deteriorating really fast as well.

zackbloom 10y ago

It's rare for anyone to die fighting in the UFC, that makes it at least somewhat different than gladiatorial combat. It is also an incredibly technical sport, it has come a long way from the brawls of its early years.

thinkpad20 10y ago
No one has died fighting in the UFC, although it has happened (only 4 times to date in the US) in other organizations[0]. I'm sure one day it will happen in the UFC and there will be a lot of hand-wringing, but the injury rate is comparable to any high-impact sport like boxing or football. The risk of head injury might even be less than boxing because there's no standing 8 count and there are more ways to win without the head being attacked. Referees are generally very well-trained and the overriding imperative is fighter safety. Not to whitewash or anything; it's a bloody and violent sport to be sure. But I think that it's much more civilized than non-fans tend to realize. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatalities_in_mixed_martial_arts_contests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatalities_in_mixed_martial_ar...
- forgetsusername 10y ago
  >Referees are generally very well-trained and the overriding imperative is fighter safety. I don't know if I'd agree with either of these statements, as we saw this weekend. First, UFC events seem inundated with horrible stoppages. Early stoppages are annoying, but at least they're safe. Late stoppages still abound, though. Lauzon vs Sanchez was a good example of this. But these guys were put on the card to smash, so the ref made sure the fans got their money worth. We got to watch Sanchez stumble around on his feet in a daze. For the second, the referees seem to be most concerned about the entertainment of the fans, first and foremost. Forcing Cormier and Silva into a stand-up on multiple occasions Saturday night is an example here. The refs are more than happy to force people to go toe-to-toe.

SEJeff 10y ago

Question: Why is UFC such a big deal when Vale Tudo has been around (in Brazil) since the what, 1920s? I've done martial arts much of my adult life and have been doing BJJ for the past several. I always found this weird.

danso 10y ago
UFC is more than an art, it is a competition backed by an organization with opinionated rules and a huge marketing budget. It'd be like asking, "Why is Coca Cola such a big deal when we've had sweetened caffeinated drinks for centuries?"
83457 10y ago
That is such a strange question. Vale Tudo is synonymous with MMA. UFC is a brand of MMA events, products, etc. UFC is currently the most recognizable and successful MMA promotion in the world. I guess to answer your question, the UFC is a big deal because they were the first promotion to bring MMA to the global audience and have been 1000x more successful doing so than anyone else before their existence. This is little different than asking why the NBA is a big deal, why the NHL is a big deal, etc when basketball, hockey, etc existed for many years before those leagues formed.
sbarre 10y ago
Because marketing.. I say this jokingly but I mean it. The success of the UFC is because it was treated as a business, not as a sport.

atom-morgan 10y ago

This is controlled, isolated, and voluntary violence. Why would it make you sad? I think it's fantastic.

dajohnson89 10y ago
How do you feel about the gladiators fighting? They were slaves who risked life and limb for the entertainment of others. While UFC fighters get paid, others have pointed out here that it often isn't much.
- tlrobinson 10y ago
  The key word of atom-morgan's comment is "voluntary".
  - atom-morgan 10y ago
    Correct. I have no problem with voluntary violence. To many in the sport becoming a great fighter is no different than aspirations in this community to start a great startup. The only difference is people on HN wouldn't do what they do at their salary. Value is relative.
powercf 10y ago
I can't speak for the GP, but it's (apparent) popularity worries me. It is a brutal sport, with some of the dregs of society participating at the highest levels (here's an interview between two competitors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTzhVVIjLCE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTzhVVIjLCE). I don't think I would have an issue with UFC etc. if the fighters could show a little class and some respect for each other. As it stands I think it supplies very bad role-models for teenage and 20 year old males it is surely popular with.
- lightbyte 10y ago
  Those interviews are all for show and to build up hype, they don't actually dislike each other.

brbrodude 10y ago

Brasilian, too. This is very fallacious reasoning.

proc0 10y ago

Humanity is evolving.. into freak athletes.