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I am from Brazil, since I graduated around 2009, I never got a 100% legal job, and never got a well paying job or contract. I keep hearing that I should move,

by speeder 10y ago

I am from Brazil, since I graduated around 2009, I never got a 100% legal job, and never got a well paying job or contract. I keep hearing that I should move, or should work remote, I always reply: "How?" Because most countries only allow you to move into them if you get invited or is already wealthy. Most remote jobs I see, no matter where I look (I don't look only on HN) are US-only, or local only. Most jobs that accept foreigners, have written on them: "Must already have H1B or Greencard" So what I am supposed to do? People criticize me when I complain that my yearly income has been on average about 10.000 USD, and I have to expend 2000 USD to build an "average" computer (or 4000 USD if I do it with only 100% legal parts with all taxes paid), saying that I am "stupid" for not working remote or relocating. But I am yet to see someone offer me a solution. Even people that could hire me directly, sometimes say to me: "Oh, I loved your work, I am sure you will find work! Of course, I can't hire you, because it is against my company policy."

spraak 10y ago
A way to get experience might be to suggest that you're hired as a consultant or contractor. It's easier for the company to do, but be careful that they still treat you fairly. I know a company in the UK that does this for its remote workers.
- speeder 10y ago
  I don't lack experience. I lack JOB. Or REAL contract. I've been working since 2009, I have lots of projects done, plus a startup. But most of this, is not legal, usually I had jobs pretending to be contracts (ie: it was a day job, but paid as if I was a contractor, highly illegal in my country, because the government consider this a way to avoid following labour laws... and it is exactly that), low-paying contracts that don't follow all laws correctly either, stuff paid off the books, and so on. But I found noone, in any country, willing to hire me 100% legally with fair pay, either as employee or contractor. (I did got some offers for legal work, but the pay was always less than my student loans, and later the loans I made to pay student loans, so not worth it at all).
  - yeukhon 10y ago
    As the parent said, you should try jobs coming from recruiters on LinkedIn (that's where they hang out the most) US enterprise companies hire consultants through the recruiting agency. InfoSys, Tech Mahindra, DataArt, Altoros, Ness, HCL, a bunch more. They will hire you legally but usually take half of what they agree with the hiring company. Say the hiring company pays $80,000 on a contract you'd only see maybe $40,000 on your employment contract. They take cut of an undisclosed amount. These are legitimate vendors. Basically outsource. Browse LinkedIn.
  - spraak 10y ago
    Sorry, I didn't mean experience in general, I meant remote experience. But if that's been your history so far, I'm sorry that it's been difficult for you :/
manish_gill 10y ago
Pretty much this. I keep hearing how if I were in the US I'd be earning $80k minimum easy, but it's the getting there that's the hard part. As it stands, I'm barely making market salary here in New Delhi because yay startups.
ddorian43 10y ago
See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12040118 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12040118
mooreds 10y ago
Upwork? They are a firewall, though you pay dearly for that. Other than that weak suggestion, I don't have anything to offer you except sympathy. Sorry to hear about your situation.

by speeder 10y ago

spraak 10y ago

A way to get experience might be to suggest that you're hired as a consultant or contractor. It's easier for the company to do, but be careful that they still treat you fairly. I know a company in the UK that does this for its remote workers.

speeder 10y ago
I don't lack experience. I lack JOB. Or REAL contract. I've been working since 2009, I have lots of projects done, plus a startup. But most of this, is not legal, usually I had jobs pretending to be contracts (ie: it was a day job, but paid as if I was a contractor, highly illegal in my country, because the government consider this a way to avoid following labour laws... and it is exactly that), low-paying contracts that don't follow all laws correctly either, stuff paid off the books, and so on. But I found noone, in any country, willing to hire me 100% legally with fair pay, either as employee or contractor. (I did got some offers for legal work, but the pay was always less than my student loans, and later the loans I made to pay student loans, so not worth it at all).
- yeukhon 10y ago
  As the parent said, you should try jobs coming from recruiters on LinkedIn (that's where they hang out the most) US enterprise companies hire consultants through the recruiting agency. InfoSys, Tech Mahindra, DataArt, Altoros, Ness, HCL, a bunch more. They will hire you legally but usually take half of what they agree with the hiring company. Say the hiring company pays $80,000 on a contract you'd only see maybe $40,000 on your employment contract. They take cut of an undisclosed amount. These are legitimate vendors. Basically outsource. Browse LinkedIn.
- spraak 10y ago
  Sorry, I didn't mean experience in general, I meant remote experience. But if that's been your history so far, I'm sorry that it's been difficult for you :/

manish_gill 10y ago

Pretty much this. I keep hearing how if I were in the US I'd be earning $80k minimum easy, but it's the getting there that's the hard part. As it stands, I'm barely making market salary here in New Delhi because yay startups.

ddorian43 10y ago

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12040118 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12040118

mooreds 10y ago

Upwork? They are a firewall, though you pay dearly for that. Other than that weak suggestion, I don't have anything to offer you except sympathy. Sorry to hear about your situation.