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When you expect your very subsistance from the State, when you start to believe that "it costs nothing, because the state is paying" (said french president late
by weddpros 10y ago
When you expect your very subsistance from the State, when you start to believe that "it costs nothing, because the state is paying" (said french president lately), then you lose what the french have lost: responsibility.
As for maternity, it has to be seen if population growth is better than prosperity for happiness. The Swiss are at the other extreme: prosperity and aging population... yet they are the happiest in the world.
- ucaetano 10y agoWe all know that having no babies isn't sustainable in the long term. Having babies is an extremely important social function, that most developed societies are leaving behind. I'm not advocating for the French model (I do advocate the Swiss model), but to dissect it and try to adopt what works, ignoring what doesn't. Of course, sometimes they're two sides of the same coin, so you can't have the cake and eat it too.
- drewrv 10y agoContinued population growth isn't sustainable either. The economic problems caused by low birth rate can be solved through immigration.
- ucaetano 10y agoYes, they can! And IMHO they should. But that's a very controversial suggestion these days... IMHO the largest problem humanity will face in the next 100 years might be decreased fertility rates. Unless our robot overlords solve that first.
- vkou 10y agoWhy would the human population shrinking to, optimistically, say, 3 billion people be a problem? Looking at our productivity, and unemployment rates, we have the labour, and the productivity to assist the elderly.
- ucaetano 10y agoBecause of the dependency ratio. An inverted age pyramid would wreak havoc in social welfare systems, unless you were able to triple or quadruple labor productivity. Today we barely have the labor and productivity to assist the elderly, imagine if the situation worsens dramatically. Sure, there's always the chance that AI and robotics and singularity will change everything and scarcity will be over and so one, but we shouldn't bet our chips on that.
- vkou 10y agoWe have already quadrupled labour productivity, compared to the 60s. Including agriculture, we have multiplied it by more then a factor of ten, compared to the start of the 20th century. We barely have the labor and productivity to assist the elderly for the same reason we barely have the labor and productivity to fix potholes on my street, or keep human waste out of a San Francisco alley (All while we sit at 7% unemployment.) We don't care to.
- ucaetano 10y agoAnd how certain are you that we'll do the same in the future?
- vkou 10y agoI don't have to be. Since we're far more efficient now then we were half a century ago, even if workforce participation goes down, we would still produce a lot more then we did in the 1960s. Relatively speaking, regressing to that level of consumption would be a relatively minor lifestyle adjustment. Let's also not forget that the elderly can, and do useful work. Compared to the problems of overpopulation, this doesn't even register as a crisis.
- ucaetano 10y agoSorry, but that doesn't make sense to me. Look at today's highly unbalanced budgets around the world, and heavily deficitary pension systems. How would that work if you decreased revenues by 10% and increased payouts by 70%? You're missing out on the dependency ratio. Take the Euro area, for example, today, for every 2 people in work age, there is 1 person being sustained (youth or pensioners), by 2060, for every 4 people in work age, 3 will have to be sustained, an increase of 50%, and it will be far more expensive than today, due to health care costs for the elderly. Work age population will fall from 335M people today to 300M in 2060, while elderly will increase from 90M to 150M and youths will stay roughly the same. So 35M fewer people paying taxes, and 60M more people needing support.