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Based on what? The fact he won the Labour leadership election by a landslide? The fact that the Labour party membership has nearly doubled compared to last year

Based on what? The fact he won the Labour leadership election by a landslide? The fact that the Labour party membership has nearly doubled compared to last year? The fact that Labour have held all 4 seats contested in by elections since he was elected leader ( http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/by-elections/by-elections-since-2015-general-election/ http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/by-e... )? The fact that Labour largely maintained their lead in local government representatives during the last local elections? You could probably point to some poll or other that claimed he was unelectable, but as I said before, the media has been attacking him from day one, and many people are swayed by what they read in the media. There's also the issue of the rise of the SNP in Scotland, but that's got very little to do with Corbyn.

tonyedgecombe 10y ago
Winning the leadership isn't the same as winning an election, both Labour and the Tories have a history of choosing leaders from the extremes of their party then not being able to get into power. Labour needs to stop blaming the media for their woes and get on with making themselves acceptable to the general electorate.
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  > "Winning the leadership isn't the same as winning an election, both Labour and the Tories have a history of choosing leaders from the extremes of their party then not being able to get into power." With that you're implying that Corbyn's views are out of sync with the general public. Which views in particular do you believe are the most extreme in this regard? > "Labour needs to stop blaming the media for their woes and get on with making themselves acceptable to the general electorate." Like it or not, the media plays a massive role in shaping public opinion. Whilst the current civil war in the Labour party is damaging the respectability of the Labour party, a large portion of the public will accept whatever they're told in the media as gospel. You only have to look at what happened as a result of the Brexit media campaigns to see how easily people on both sides were swayed by demagoguery, but if you want more specific examples it'd be easy enough to provide some.
  - tonyedgecombe 10y ago
    Just his policies on nationalisation are enough to put me off, some of us are old enough to remember what a disaster nationalised industries were in the past.
    - ZenoArrow 10y ago
      I'd recommend watching this documentary on the NHS if you can spare the time: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ultKvnw2h3Q https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ultKvnw2h3Q It covers, amongst other things, how public services are mismanaged on purpose to make privatisation seem like progress. One of the sources of information it touches on is a book by the Conservative MP Oliver Letwin that lays out the approach taken for privitising public services, so it's not some form of conspiracy theory, the book is publicly available.
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      - tonyedgecombe 10y ago
        Very interesting but Labour can't do anything about it if they can't get into government, which is the case all the while Corbyn is leader.
        ZenoArrow 10y ago
        Sorry, I don't understand. Here's my summary of our current conversation. 1. You say Corbyn can't get elected. 2. I ask you why. 3. You imply that his views do not line up with what people want. 4. I ask you which of his views are out of touch with public opinion. 5. You suggest the main problem you have with his views is that he believes in re-nationalising, and you remember how badly public industries were run. 6. I provide evidence that public services were badly run on purpose in order to pave the way for privatisation. 7. You reply that it's interesting but it's immaterial because Corbyn can't get elected. If I've misunderstood something of this conversation in your opinion, please clarify what that is. I personally don't see the problem with re-nationalising the railways in the UK (to give one example of a Corbyn policy), especially if the incentive to run them poorly on purpose is taken away (i.e. not having a government that's interested in privatising it). The rail service in the UK has become vastly overpriced (compared with other developed nations) since the railways were privatised. Delays and cancellations are still commonplace too. I don't see what great benefits the privatisation of the the UK rail system has brought us.

tonyedgecombe 10y ago

Winning the leadership isn't the same as winning an election, both Labour and the Tories have a history of choosing leaders from the extremes of their party then not being able to get into power. Labour needs to stop blaming the media for their woes and get on with making themselves acceptable to the general electorate.

ZenoArrow 10y ago
> "Winning the leadership isn't the same as winning an election, both Labour and the Tories have a history of choosing leaders from the extremes of their party then not being able to get into power." With that you're implying that Corbyn's views are out of sync with the general public. Which views in particular do you believe are the most extreme in this regard? > "Labour needs to stop blaming the media for their woes and get on with making themselves acceptable to the general electorate." Like it or not, the media plays a massive role in shaping public opinion. Whilst the current civil war in the Labour party is damaging the respectability of the Labour party, a large portion of the public will accept whatever they're told in the media as gospel. You only have to look at what happened as a result of the Brexit media campaigns to see how easily people on both sides were swayed by demagoguery, but if you want more specific examples it'd be easy enough to provide some.
- tonyedgecombe 10y ago
  Just his policies on nationalisation are enough to put me off, some of us are old enough to remember what a disaster nationalised industries were in the past.
  - ZenoArrow 10y ago
    I'd recommend watching this documentary on the NHS if you can spare the time: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ultKvnw2h3Q https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ultKvnw2h3Q It covers, amongst other things, how public services are mismanaged on purpose to make privatisation seem like progress. One of the sources of information it touches on is a book by the Conservative MP Oliver Letwin that lays out the approach taken for privitising public services, so it's not some form of conspiracy theory, the book is publicly available.
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    - tonyedgecombe 10y ago
      Very interesting but Labour can't do anything about it if they can't get into government, which is the case all the while Corbyn is leader.
      - ZenoArrow 10y ago
        Sorry, I don't understand. Here's my summary of our current conversation. 1. You say Corbyn can't get elected. 2. I ask you why. 3. You imply that his views do not line up with what people want. 4. I ask you which of his views are out of touch with public opinion. 5. You suggest the main problem you have with his views is that he believes in re-nationalising, and you remember how badly public industries were run. 6. I provide evidence that public services were badly run on purpose in order to pave the way for privatisation. 7. You reply that it's interesting but it's immaterial because Corbyn can't get elected. If I've misunderstood something of this conversation in your opinion, please clarify what that is. I personally don't see the problem with re-nationalising the railways in the UK (to give one example of a Corbyn policy), especially if the incentive to run them poorly on purpose is taken away (i.e. not having a government that's interested in privatising it). The rail service in the UK has become vastly overpriced (compared with other developed nations) since the railways were privatised. Delays and cancellations are still commonplace too. I don't see what great benefits the privatisation of the the UK rail system has brought us.