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Pure ideology. Class-divided society is bad, and your dishonest valorization of it here doesn't change that simple fact. If we're so interested in incentivizin

Pure ideology. Class-divided society is bad, and your dishonest valorization of it here doesn't change that simple fact. If we're so interested in incentivizing people to become more productive, why not outlaw income from land and capital to force the idle rich back into productive work instead of allowing them (and their descendants) to live off "free stuff"?

wyager 10y ago
>Class-divided society is bad Why? If class is simply a de facto consequence of the fact that not everyone is exactly the same (God forbid), why should we try to stamp it out? There's nothing wrong with being different. The only thing I would object to is an artificial class system that keeps people down. Enforced substantive equality (everyone must be exactly the same!) keeps people down just as much as any caste system.
- djrobstep 10y ago
  We already have "an artificial class system that keeps people down". Equality doesn't mean everybody must be exactly the same. Perhaps you should read some basic material about the topic before offering your opinion.
  - wyager 10y ago
    I agree, and it's called red tape. UBI won't fix that. Perhaps instead of just disagreeing and then intimating that I don't know what I'm talking about, you could give a counter-argument.
    - djrobstep 10y ago
      You haven't provided any arguments to counter, merely parroted the most banal libertarian talking points. You think poor folks are trash and deserve the terrible treatment inflicted upon them by capitalist economic institutions. I don't, and think everybody deserves compassion and decency.
      - wyager 10y ago
        >You think poor folks are trash and deserve the terrible treatment inflicted upon them Wow, that's exactly what I said! Great summary. >I don't, and think everybody deserves compassion and decency. How generous and upstanding of you. You still haven't said anything besides "you are wrong and mean". My claim is that enforced substantive equality keeps people down as much as enforced stratification. Address that. Also, re-reading your original response, it sounds like you don't know what substantive equality means. Perhaps you should "read some basic material", as you say.
- superuser2 10y ago
  >If class is simply a de facto consequence of the fact that not everyone is exactly the same (God forbid) Except class is (mostly) hereditary.
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wyager 10y ago

>Class-divided society is bad Why? If class is simply a de facto consequence of the fact that not everyone is exactly the same (God forbid), why should we try to stamp it out? There's nothing wrong with being different. The only thing I would object to is an artificial class system that keeps people down. Enforced substantive equality (everyone must be exactly the same!) keeps people down just as much as any caste system.

djrobstep 10y ago
We already have "an artificial class system that keeps people down". Equality doesn't mean everybody must be exactly the same. Perhaps you should read some basic material about the topic before offering your opinion.
- wyager 10y ago
  I agree, and it's called red tape. UBI won't fix that. Perhaps instead of just disagreeing and then intimating that I don't know what I'm talking about, you could give a counter-argument.
  - djrobstep 10y ago
    You haven't provided any arguments to counter, merely parroted the most banal libertarian talking points. You think poor folks are trash and deserve the terrible treatment inflicted upon them by capitalist economic institutions. I don't, and think everybody deserves compassion and decency.
    - wyager 10y ago
      >You think poor folks are trash and deserve the terrible treatment inflicted upon them Wow, that's exactly what I said! Great summary. >I don't, and think everybody deserves compassion and decency. How generous and upstanding of you. You still haven't said anything besides "you are wrong and mean". My claim is that enforced substantive equality keeps people down as much as enforced stratification. Address that. Also, re-reading your original response, it sounds like you don't know what substantive equality means. Perhaps you should "read some basic material", as you say.
superuser2 10y ago
>If class is simply a de facto consequence of the fact that not everyone is exactly the same (God forbid) Except class is (mostly) hereditary.
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