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Why would a non-Jewish engineer (or Jewish engineer ) not want to move to Israel, if there are job opportunities? Why would no more Jewish engineers want to mv

by tamana 10y ago

Why would a non-Jewish engineer (or Jewish engineer ) not want to move to Israel, if there are job opportunities? Why would no more Jewish engineers want to mve to Israel? There are more being born and growing up every year -- Jewish engineers are a renewable resource.

Illniyar 10y ago
The immigration laws (and their execution) in israel prevent non-jews from moving there. Also, why wouldn't they just move to america instead?
- lsc 10y ago
  > The immigration laws (and their execution) in israel prevent non-jews from moving there. Also, why wouldn't they just move to america instead? hm. My understanding is that it's just really easy for a Jewish person to immigrate to Israel - my understanding is that for the rest of us, it's still easier, say, than getting into America.
  - Illniyar 10y ago
    As far as I know there is no process or laws to facilitate citizenship of non-jews in Israel(unless in a relationship with a citizen of Israel). There is only a discretion given to the minister of interior to individually grant citizenship (which the ministers rarely do). Also work visas are very sparse and are dominated by several human resource companies. For a skilled worker, I'd say it's much easier to immigrate to America then it is to Israel.
wslh 10y ago
There are many reasons, one is that even if you are jewish amd have jewish culture you don't fit into the culture of Israel and feel better living in the diaspora.
Dr_tldr 10y ago
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/bye-the-beloved-country-why-almost-40-percent-of-israelis-are-thinking-of-emigrating.premium-1.484945 http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/bye-the-beloved-country-w... People who live in a country usually know it better than foreigners, so if almost 40% of them are contemplating emigration, there are some deep economic and social problems within that society. The last major immigration to Israel were eastern european jews leaving the Soviet Union in the late 1980s, and that was only because Israel put enormous political pressure on the US to not allow them to come to the states instead.
- reissbaker 10y ago
  > The last major immigration to Israel were eastern european jews leaving the Soviet Union in the late 1980s, and that was only because Israel put enormous political pressure on the US to not allow them to come to the states instead. I can't find a source for your claim the Israel put political pressure on the US to not allow Soviet Jews to immigrate. Your dates are also off by 1-2 decades, according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990s_Post-Soviet_aliyah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990s_Post-Soviet_aliyah Do you have a source for your claim?
  - Dr_tldr 10y ago
    >The 1990s Post-Soviet aliyah began en masse in late 1980s when the government of Mikhail Gorbachev opened the borders of the USSR and allowed Jews to leave the country for Israel. Yes, the one you just linked and didn't read, at all. Literally the first sentence of the wikipedia article. The first sentence. From Wikipedia, the highest number of Jewish immigrants from The Soviet Union was in 1990. The first chart! Further discussion of the reason for Jewish organizations in America and Israel supporting limiting the amount of Soviet Jewish immigration to the US can be found here: http://quod.lib.umich.edu/b/belin/13469761.0016.001/--we-are-not-one-american-jews-israel-and-the-struggle-for?rgn=main;view=fulltext http://quod.lib.umich.edu/b/belin/13469761.0016.001/--we-are... I can't imagine you're a good developer or a good project contributor, since not only are you not capable of reading the documentation or doing a google search, you correct people who are right by using sources that say that you're wrong.
LunaSea 10y ago
Unstable geopolitical region?
amit_m 10y ago
From a legal perspective, anyone who has at least one jewish grandparent can obtain immediate citizenship and be eligible to free healthcare, subsidized university education, etc. Historically, this was created in response to the Nazi Nuremberg laws in order to serve Israel's purpose of protecting jews from persecution. Also, on the emotional level, many jews living in the US and other places feel they have some kind of religious or cultural connection to Israel. For people of non-jewish descent it is very hard to obtain citizenship, work visas are usually given for up to 5 years, after which you need to leave. In my opinion, this is a major weakness of the local startup ecosystem.
bjourne 10y ago
> Why would a non-Jewish engineer (or Jewish engineer ) not want to move to Israel, if there are job opportunities? Because of their shitty treatment of Palestinians perhaps. :/
hobo_mark 10y ago
> Why would a non-Jewish engineer (or Jewish engineer ) not want to move to Israel, if there are job opportunities? For me, something about being around heavily armed guards at every train stop and major road intersection all the time.
- eli_gottlieb 10y ago
  Heavily armed? When were you there. Train-station guards usually only have one gun per station. California police are much scarier, arms wise, than Israeli security guards.

by tamana 10y ago

Illniyar 10y ago

The immigration laws (and their execution) in israel prevent non-jews from moving there. Also, why wouldn't they just move to america instead?

lsc 10y ago
> The immigration laws (and their execution) in israel prevent non-jews from moving there. Also, why wouldn't they just move to america instead? hm. My understanding is that it's just really easy for a Jewish person to immigrate to Israel - my understanding is that for the rest of us, it's still easier, say, than getting into America.
- Illniyar 10y ago
  As far as I know there is no process or laws to facilitate citizenship of non-jews in Israel(unless in a relationship with a citizen of Israel). There is only a discretion given to the minister of interior to individually grant citizenship (which the ministers rarely do). Also work visas are very sparse and are dominated by several human resource companies. For a skilled worker, I'd say it's much easier to immigrate to America then it is to Israel.

wslh 10y ago

There are many reasons, one is that even if you are jewish amd have jewish culture you don't fit into the culture of Israel and feel better living in the diaspora.

Dr_tldr 10y ago

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/bye-the-beloved-country-why-almost-40-percent-of-israelis-are-thinking-of-emigrating.premium-1.484945 http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/bye-the-beloved-country-w... People who live in a country usually know it better than foreigners, so if almost 40% of them are contemplating emigration, there are some deep economic and social problems within that society. The last major immigration to Israel were eastern european jews leaving the Soviet Union in the late 1980s, and that was only because Israel put enormous political pressure on the US to not allow them to come to the states instead.

reissbaker 10y ago
> The last major immigration to Israel were eastern european jews leaving the Soviet Union in the late 1980s, and that was only because Israel put enormous political pressure on the US to not allow them to come to the states instead. I can't find a source for your claim the Israel put political pressure on the US to not allow Soviet Jews to immigrate. Your dates are also off by 1-2 decades, according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990s_Post-Soviet_aliyah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990s_Post-Soviet_aliyah Do you have a source for your claim?
- Dr_tldr 10y ago
  >The 1990s Post-Soviet aliyah began en masse in late 1980s when the government of Mikhail Gorbachev opened the borders of the USSR and allowed Jews to leave the country for Israel. Yes, the one you just linked and didn't read, at all. Literally the first sentence of the wikipedia article. The first sentence. From Wikipedia, the highest number of Jewish immigrants from The Soviet Union was in 1990. The first chart! Further discussion of the reason for Jewish organizations in America and Israel supporting limiting the amount of Soviet Jewish immigration to the US can be found here: http://quod.lib.umich.edu/b/belin/13469761.0016.001/--we-are-not-one-american-jews-israel-and-the-struggle-for?rgn=main;view=fulltext http://quod.lib.umich.edu/b/belin/13469761.0016.001/--we-are... I can't imagine you're a good developer or a good project contributor, since not only are you not capable of reading the documentation or doing a google search, you correct people who are right by using sources that say that you're wrong.

LunaSea 10y ago

Unstable geopolitical region?

amit_m 10y ago

From a legal perspective, anyone who has at least one jewish grandparent can obtain immediate citizenship and be eligible to free healthcare, subsidized university education, etc. Historically, this was created in response to the Nazi Nuremberg laws in order to serve Israel's purpose of protecting jews from persecution. Also, on the emotional level, many jews living in the US and other places feel they have some kind of religious or cultural connection to Israel. For people of non-jewish descent it is very hard to obtain citizenship, work visas are usually given for up to 5 years, after which you need to leave. In my opinion, this is a major weakness of the local startup ecosystem.

bjourne 10y ago

> Why would a non-Jewish engineer (or Jewish engineer ) not want to move to Israel, if there are job opportunities? Because of their shitty treatment of Palestinians perhaps. :/

hobo_mark 10y ago

> Why would a non-Jewish engineer (or Jewish engineer ) not want to move to Israel, if there are job opportunities? For me, something about being around heavily armed guards at every train stop and major road intersection all the time.

eli_gottlieb 10y ago
Heavily armed? When were you there. Train-station guards usually only have one gun per station. California police are much scarier, arms wise, than Israeli security guards.