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Isn't The Verge biased and very pro Apple? At least that's the stigma I read online that The Verge is basically Apple News. EDIT: Maybe instead of downvoting,

Isn't The Verge biased and very pro Apple? At least that's the stigma I read online that The Verge is basically Apple News. EDIT: Maybe instead of downvoting, just prove me wrong.

wanda 10y ago
I think, as a rule, the burden of proof falls first upon the claimant. You have made a claim with no evidence to back it up, only hearsay. This is why so many who frequent HN include citations for even trivial comments.
- chrisper 10y ago
  Well, I was asking if that claim I read online is true or not and if it should be considered if The Verge is biased or not. That is all I tried to do!
  - izym 10y ago
    Your question could definitely have been more neutral. I think most people read it as you trying to invalidate the article.
  - mwfunk 10y ago
    If you're getting downvotes (none from me), it's likely from exasperation that anyone is even bringing this up in the first place. Read comment threads on the Verge where people complain about bias- they almost always appear to be written by toxic high school kids who draw way too much of their self-image from which gigantic corporations their parents have bought their devices from. The comments on the Verge used to be at least a little better than those on Engadget/Gizmodo/etc., but they've mostly devolved into the usual prepubescent Markov chain noise floor that article comment threads on the internet always sink to in time.
skrowl 10y ago
You're correct. It's even referred to as iVerge on reddit/r/Android (despite that sub being regularly trolled by the remaining Apple faithful). That said, if you speak ill of Apple on HN, you should be prepared to be downvoted. The Apple zeal runs deep here.
- mwfunk 10y ago
  I stand corrected! If /r/Android says it, it must be true.
  - WayneBro 10y ago
    Oh and because you said "If /r/Android says it, it must be true.", then it must be false. Did we move the conversation forward now? No. I'll add my voice to the ones who say that The Verge gives me the vibe that they're in love with Apple and are very biased towards them. Big deal! Why would anybody be so intent on defending Apple or The Verge here on HN unless they definitely harbored their own bias? Also, who is completely free from bias? Anyone you know? I'm just saying - it's not some colossal accusation...but obviously the Apple faithful here cannot stand for it. Anyway, if lots of people say the same thing then there might be some truth to it, just like if you see some smoke, there might be a fire nearby.
throwanem 10y ago
It's hardly as though they're coy about their preference: > For instance, I’m on record as saying [Apple's] most important product, the iPhone, is the best smartphone on the market. So is The Verge overall. ...is the second sentence of an article [1] linked from the words "increasingly subpar" in this line from the article here under discussion: > Of course, these Google apps still don’t feel nearly as integrated into the iPhone as Apple’s own, increasingly subpar, apps. So I don't think it's entirely justified to argue that Verge's general editorial preference for Apple's mobile offerings means they're unwilling to judge those offerings harshly where it's deserved. That said, it's not as though the claims they make in the article under discussion are hard to evaluate for yourself. It's also not as though it even makes sense to claim this article is tainted by a pro-Apple bias; the point they're making is not "android sucks lol", it's that they're amazed the company which makes the Android OS produces consistently better fit and finish in their software for their competitor's OS than for their own. So I'm sort of confused as to what exactly you think you're contributing here. [1] http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/3/10900612/walt-mossberg-apple-iphone-ios-mac-osx-app-problems http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/3/10900612/walt-mossberg-appl...
hrktb 10y ago
They had some very unprofessional coverage of android products (last one I remember was the google photos app, but that's more than 1 year ago now). Not all articles are that bad, but in general they are less knowledgeable on the android side, yes.
jaimex2 10y ago
Yep, I stopped visiting The Verge dialy for that reason. Day after day of Apple fanboy articles.

Isn't The Verge biased and very pro Apple? At least that's the stigma I read online that The Verge is basically Apple News. EDIT: Maybe instead of downvoting, just prove me wrong.

wanda 10y ago

I think, as a rule, the burden of proof falls first upon the claimant. You have made a claim with no evidence to back it up, only hearsay. This is why so many who frequent HN include citations for even trivial comments.

chrisper 10y ago
Well, I was asking if that claim I read online is true or not and if it should be considered if The Verge is biased or not. That is all I tried to do!
- izym 10y ago
  Your question could definitely have been more neutral. I think most people read it as you trying to invalidate the article.
- mwfunk 10y ago
  If you're getting downvotes (none from me), it's likely from exasperation that anyone is even bringing this up in the first place. Read comment threads on the Verge where people complain about bias- they almost always appear to be written by toxic high school kids who draw way too much of their self-image from which gigantic corporations their parents have bought their devices from. The comments on the Verge used to be at least a little better than those on Engadget/Gizmodo/etc., but they've mostly devolved into the usual prepubescent Markov chain noise floor that article comment threads on the internet always sink to in time.

skrowl 10y ago

You're correct. It's even referred to as iVerge on reddit/r/Android (despite that sub being regularly trolled by the remaining Apple faithful). That said, if you speak ill of Apple on HN, you should be prepared to be downvoted. The Apple zeal runs deep here.

mwfunk 10y ago
I stand corrected! If /r/Android says it, it must be true.
- WayneBro 10y ago
  Oh and because you said "If /r/Android says it, it must be true.", then it must be false. Did we move the conversation forward now? No. I'll add my voice to the ones who say that The Verge gives me the vibe that they're in love with Apple and are very biased towards them. Big deal! Why would anybody be so intent on defending Apple or The Verge here on HN unless they definitely harbored their own bias? Also, who is completely free from bias? Anyone you know? I'm just saying - it's not some colossal accusation...but obviously the Apple faithful here cannot stand for it. Anyway, if lots of people say the same thing then there might be some truth to it, just like if you see some smoke, there might be a fire nearby.

throwanem 10y ago

It's hardly as though they're coy about their preference: > For instance, I’m on record as saying [Apple's] most important product, the iPhone, is the best smartphone on the market. So is The Verge overall. ...is the second sentence of an article [1] linked from the words "increasingly subpar" in this line from the article here under discussion: > Of course, these Google apps still don’t feel nearly as integrated into the iPhone as Apple’s own, increasingly subpar, apps. So I don't think it's entirely justified to argue that Verge's general editorial preference for Apple's mobile offerings means they're unwilling to judge those offerings harshly where it's deserved. That said, it's not as though the claims they make in the article under discussion are hard to evaluate for yourself. It's also not as though it even makes sense to claim this article is tainted by a pro-Apple bias; the point they're making is not "android sucks lol", it's that they're amazed the company which makes the Android OS produces consistently better fit and finish in their software for their competitor's OS than for their own. So I'm sort of confused as to what exactly you think you're contributing here. [1] http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/3/10900612/walt-mossberg-apple-iphone-ios-mac-osx-app-problems http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/3/10900612/walt-mossberg-appl...

hrktb 10y ago

They had some very unprofessional coverage of android products (last one I remember was the google photos app, but that's more than 1 year ago now). Not all articles are that bad, but in general they are less knowledgeable on the android side, yes.

jaimex2 10y ago

Yep, I stopped visiting The Verge dialy for that reason. Day after day of Apple fanboy articles.