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> Wanting your culture to not drift is expected. It's built into humans to prefer people like ourselves. Or look at America, the world's biggest melting pot. J

> Wanting your culture to not drift is expected. It's built into humans to prefer people like ourselves. Or look at America, the world's biggest melting pot. Just because Japan has a preference for their own ethnicity (like most other countries around the world, India, China, most of Europe, etc.) doesn't mean they aren't wrong and IMO not on the wrong side of history. People I know here in the US have no issue having real friends, people they hang out with and regard as equals, who are ethnically Asian, Indian, African. In other countries, this simply wouldn't happen.

Joof 10y ago
And politically speaking, we still have a huge group that is very xenophobic.
- dkhenry 10y ago
  I think the grandparent is oversimplifying a bit. Even that group that is really xenophobic has people groups different then themselves which they are comfortable associating with, I think the unifying factor is everyone has some group of people they stereotype, or in more lyrical terms, everyone is a little bit racist, sometimes.
- GauntletWizard 10y ago
  We do, but that is from your perspective, and your perspective is from a bubble. The US is weird: We have a huge group, the majority even, who are not very xenophobic, and this makes us unable to recognize that that kind of xenophobia is the usual state of affairs most everywhere else in the world - Including most of europe, even the top-tier liberal parts like France. The xenophobia differs, but if you go out of the major cities you'll find very little actual integration of immigrants, only enclaves and ghettos and occasionally whole towns, with a separate culture and values. Only the US has had major success integrating on a national scale. There are parts of England, major cities in France and Germany are pretty good, but the countryside is still divided. And much of the countryside is still divided in the US, too, it's just that there is a visible contrast for us to speak out against.
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kelukelugames 10y ago
America is the world's biggest melting pot relatively speaking. Most American's social circles look like themselves. Also I suspect there is a gap between the number of people who have no issue with having a diverse group of friends and those who actually do. Drawing on techniques from social network analysis, PRRI’s 2013 American Values Survey asked respondents to identify as many as seven people with whom they had discussed important matters in the six months prior to the survey. The results reveal just how segregated white social circles are. Overall, the social networks of whites are a remarkable 91 percent white. White American social networks are only one percent black, one percent Hispanic, one percent Asian or Pacific Islander, one percent mixed race, and one percent other race. In fact, fully three-quarters (75 percent) of whites have entirely white social networks without any minority presence. This level of social-network racial homogeneity among whites is significantly higher than among black Americans (65 percent) or Hispanic Americans (46 percent). Links: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/08/self-segregation-why-its-hard-for-whites-to-understand-ferguson/378928/ http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/08/self-seg... http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2014/08/cropped/79324c442.jpg http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2014/08/cr... http://www.prri.org/research/2013-american-values-survey/ http://www.prri.org/research/2013-american-values-survey/
- JoeAltmaier 10y ago
  Isn't that exactly what you'd expect statistically? That the majority members would mostly have circles representing the majority? In fact, its more telling that minorities have social circles that don't include many of the majority. Because that is a whole lot more self-selected - it can't be random. That black Americans' social circles have 65-percent minority membership is several standard deviations outside what could be normal.
  - thaumasiotes 10y ago
    The 2010 census shows the US as 64% non-Hispanic white. It's just as impossible for their social groups to be 91% white by random chance as it is for blacks' social groups to be 65% black. You can explain the whites who have no connection to any nonwhite by saying that nonwhites tend to be concentrated in particular areas such as Louisiana or New York City, but that makes the nonwhites look significantly more integrated compared to the whites.
markdown 10y ago
> People I know here in the US have no issue having real friends, people they hang out with and regard as equals, who are ethnically Asian, Indian, African. In other countries, this simply wouldn't happen. Either you haven't travelled very much, or you have but spent most of your time in resorts and tourist attractions.
- orthoganol 10y ago
  Should have explicitly said 'most' other countries. I have lived as a digital nomad around most of the world over the last 3 years, actually.
iwontreddit 10y ago
> Or look at America, the world's biggest melting pot. Oh stop it. We aren't a melting pot. We are nation with nearly 80% white population. And there has been tons of anti-immigration laws in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_immigration_to_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_immigration_to_the_Unite... Yes, the cities have some diversity, but most of the country doesn't. The vast majority of towns/rural districts/counties/etc are 95%+ white. There are a few that are 95%+ black and 95%+ native/hispanic. > People I know here in the US have no issue having real friends, people they hang out with and regard as equals, who are ethnically Asian, Indian, African. And we also have racial strife, violence, etc. We also wiped out the natives, put japanese americans in camps, had pogroms against the chinese, enslaved and brutalized blacks, etc. Go read about the LA riots. The US is one economic collapse from major racial hatred and violence. Go read about what happened to the chinese in the US and the mass lynchings during economic strife. As long as the bubble keeps getting inflated, everyone will behave more or less. If that bubble ever pops and there is an economic crisis, you'll see what american is really like.
- brobinson 10y ago
  >We are nation with nearly 80% white population. The US is 61.6% white, 17.6% hispanic/latino, 13.3% black, and 5.6% asian. Source: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00
  - falsestprophet 10y ago
    77.1% white including white hispanics (speaking Spanish doesn't make you not white!) Source: same link as parent
lmz 10y ago
Do they have race riots in Japan like they do in the USA?
ittekimasu 10y ago
Not quite. While US may be an ethnic melting pot, it is steeped in WASPy culture (apologies for the racial term). Europe while bland food-wise is far more diverse (linguistically atleast), so there is more to "preserve". Russia seems to remember the days of Eastern Orthodox vs the Vatican (now repeated by Putin et.al). India is, diverse yes, but those who make it out are mostly the outputs of a colonial system which wanted to replicate WASPs. Kind of the same thing in Africa. China is kind of asserting its own culture, but Mao's men didn't leave much tradition behind to stand on. The schizophrenia is now quite visible; but then it's not clear if it would have been better if Chiang Kai Shek held on to power. Japan is slightly bit better, but the tradition seems to have become frozen, and quite irrelevant. I'm not sure if it was more fluid before Meiji. Perhaps, the reason why the Anglo-American world is so fond of diverse peoples is its task - for the better or worse - of synthesizing a universal culture.

Joof 10y ago

And politically speaking, we still have a huge group that is very xenophobic.

dkhenry 10y ago
I think the grandparent is oversimplifying a bit. Even that group that is really xenophobic has people groups different then themselves which they are comfortable associating with, I think the unifying factor is everyone has some group of people they stereotype, or in more lyrical terms, everyone is a little bit racist, sometimes.
GauntletWizard 10y ago
We do, but that is from your perspective, and your perspective is from a bubble. The US is weird: We have a huge group, the majority even, who are not very xenophobic, and this makes us unable to recognize that that kind of xenophobia is the usual state of affairs most everywhere else in the world - Including most of europe, even the top-tier liberal parts like France. The xenophobia differs, but if you go out of the major cities you'll find very little actual integration of immigrants, only enclaves and ghettos and occasionally whole towns, with a separate culture and values. Only the US has had major success integrating on a national scale. There are parts of England, major cities in France and Germany are pretty good, but the countryside is still divided. And much of the countryside is still divided in the US, too, it's just that there is a visible contrast for us to speak out against.
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kelukelugames 10y ago

America is the world's biggest melting pot relatively speaking. Most American's social circles look like themselves. Also I suspect there is a gap between the number of people who have no issue with having a diverse group of friends and those who actually do. Drawing on techniques from social network analysis, PRRI’s 2013 American Values Survey asked respondents to identify as many as seven people with whom they had discussed important matters in the six months prior to the survey. The results reveal just how segregated white social circles are. Overall, the social networks of whites are a remarkable 91 percent white. White American social networks are only one percent black, one percent Hispanic, one percent Asian or Pacific Islander, one percent mixed race, and one percent other race. In fact, fully three-quarters (75 percent) of whites have entirely white social networks without any minority presence. This level of social-network racial homogeneity among whites is significantly higher than among black Americans (65 percent) or Hispanic Americans (46 percent). Links: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/08/self-segregation-why-its-hard-for-whites-to-understand-ferguson/378928/ http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/08/self-seg... http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2014/08/cropped/79324c442.jpg http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2014/08/cr... http://www.prri.org/research/2013-american-values-survey/ http://www.prri.org/research/2013-american-values-survey/

JoeAltmaier 10y ago
Isn't that exactly what you'd expect statistically? That the majority members would mostly have circles representing the majority? In fact, its more telling that minorities have social circles that don't include many of the majority. Because that is a whole lot more self-selected - it can't be random. That black Americans' social circles have 65-percent minority membership is several standard deviations outside what could be normal.
- thaumasiotes 10y ago
  The 2010 census shows the US as 64% non-Hispanic white. It's just as impossible for their social groups to be 91% white by random chance as it is for blacks' social groups to be 65% black. You can explain the whites who have no connection to any nonwhite by saying that nonwhites tend to be concentrated in particular areas such as Louisiana or New York City, but that makes the nonwhites look significantly more integrated compared to the whites.

markdown 10y ago

> People I know here in the US have no issue having real friends, people they hang out with and regard as equals, who are ethnically Asian, Indian, African. In other countries, this simply wouldn't happen. Either you haven't travelled very much, or you have but spent most of your time in resorts and tourist attractions.

orthoganol 10y ago
Should have explicitly said 'most' other countries. I have lived as a digital nomad around most of the world over the last 3 years, actually.

iwontreddit 10y ago

> Or look at America, the world's biggest melting pot. Oh stop it. We aren't a melting pot. We are nation with nearly 80% white population. And there has been tons of anti-immigration laws in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_immigration_to_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_immigration_to_the_Unite... Yes, the cities have some diversity, but most of the country doesn't. The vast majority of towns/rural districts/counties/etc are 95%+ white. There are a few that are 95%+ black and 95%+ native/hispanic. > People I know here in the US have no issue having real friends, people they hang out with and regard as equals, who are ethnically Asian, Indian, African. And we also have racial strife, violence, etc. We also wiped out the natives, put japanese americans in camps, had pogroms against the chinese, enslaved and brutalized blacks, etc. Go read about the LA riots. The US is one economic collapse from major racial hatred and violence. Go read about what happened to the chinese in the US and the mass lynchings during economic strife. As long as the bubble keeps getting inflated, everyone will behave more or less. If that bubble ever pops and there is an economic crisis, you'll see what american is really like.

brobinson 10y ago
>We are nation with nearly 80% white population. The US is 61.6% white, 17.6% hispanic/latino, 13.3% black, and 5.6% asian. Source: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00
- falsestprophet 10y ago
  77.1% white including white hispanics (speaking Spanish doesn't make you not white!) Source: same link as parent

lmz 10y ago

Do they have race riots in Japan like they do in the USA?

ittekimasu 10y ago

Not quite. While US may be an ethnic melting pot, it is steeped in WASPy culture (apologies for the racial term). Europe while bland food-wise is far more diverse (linguistically atleast), so there is more to "preserve". Russia seems to remember the days of Eastern Orthodox vs the Vatican (now repeated by Putin et.al). India is, diverse yes, but those who make it out are mostly the outputs of a colonial system which wanted to replicate WASPs. Kind of the same thing in Africa. China is kind of asserting its own culture, but Mao's men didn't leave much tradition behind to stand on. The schizophrenia is now quite visible; but then it's not clear if it would have been better if Chiang Kai Shek held on to power. Japan is slightly bit better, but the tradition seems to have become frozen, and quite irrelevant. I'm not sure if it was more fluid before Meiji. Perhaps, the reason why the Anglo-American world is so fond of diverse peoples is its task - for the better or worse - of synthesizing a universal culture.