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I know people dislike when I comment on this, but your page is empty when visited with disabled Javascript. So please, if you ever consider putting some more wo

by grx 10y ago

I know people dislike when I comment on this, but your page is empty when visited with disabled Javascript. So please, if you ever consider putting some more work into it deliver a static info page when JS is disabled! And btw, when I enabled it (Noscript) the page loaded forever and again did not show anything - but I guess you may get some more visits now that you've linked it here.

wahnfrieden 10y ago
The reason people dislike it is it's a simple question of ROI - how much would it really help his funnel to work on support for users who intentionally break the web vs other aspects of his product?
- grx 10y ago
  The only thing that breaks the web is developers who do not care about compatibility and performance. If I would not be harrassed and slowed down on every second hipster page with 1000s of external resources I would consider going back to default-on javascript. The fact that simple HTML delivery can be remarketed as "AMP" is a joke. Additionally, from a designing perspective it's a good thing to render the first page statically so it does not need to talk to a backend when the visitor is most likely going to close the page after looking at the landing page.
  - jwatte 10y ago
    You may have that opinion, but 9,999 other users don't. Who counts more to a creator trying to generate a paycheck? If you really want to make it as an entrepreneur, dogma has to go out the window, and data based decisions have to be front and center, especially when weighted for cost/benefit. If data shows that search engines don't link to your site and don't index your content, that would be action actionable data.
  - sdoering 10y ago
    > The fact that simple HTML delivery can be remarketed as "AMP" is a joke. Ohhh I so hear you. Thanks for voicing reason in a sea of hipsterity. Also I do agree with the sentiment, that data decisions should lead an entrepreneur. Non the less everyone should be able to at least grasp an idea of any site.
joshontheweb 10y ago
Yeah, I hear you. The problem is that its only me and there are literally one hundred other higher priority tasks I need to work on. I will give that one a bump though :)

by grx 10y ago

wahnfrieden 10y ago

The reason people dislike it is it's a simple question of ROI - how much would it really help his funnel to work on support for users who intentionally break the web vs other aspects of his product?

grx 10y ago
The only thing that breaks the web is developers who do not care about compatibility and performance. If I would not be harrassed and slowed down on every second hipster page with 1000s of external resources I would consider going back to default-on javascript. The fact that simple HTML delivery can be remarketed as "AMP" is a joke. Additionally, from a designing perspective it's a good thing to render the first page statically so it does not need to talk to a backend when the visitor is most likely going to close the page after looking at the landing page.
- jwatte 10y ago
  You may have that opinion, but 9,999 other users don't. Who counts more to a creator trying to generate a paycheck? If you really want to make it as an entrepreneur, dogma has to go out the window, and data based decisions have to be front and center, especially when weighted for cost/benefit. If data shows that search engines don't link to your site and don't index your content, that would be action actionable data.
- sdoering 10y ago
  > The fact that simple HTML delivery can be remarketed as "AMP" is a joke. Ohhh I so hear you. Thanks for voicing reason in a sea of hipsterity. Also I do agree with the sentiment, that data decisions should lead an entrepreneur. Non the less everyone should be able to at least grasp an idea of any site.

joshontheweb 10y ago

Yeah, I hear you. The problem is that its only me and there are literally one hundred other higher priority tasks I need to work on. I will give that one a bump though :)