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Hi all, I'm the originator of this project and the main contributor, please ask anything you like! Though this did have to hit front page when I'm doing a day

by grokys 10y ago

Hi all, I'm the originator of this project and the main contributor, please ask anything you like! Though this did have to hit front page when I'm doing a day of travel didn't it? :)

heinbau 10y ago
Anything around graphing yet? Or Is that still something that I would need to roll with SyncFusion, Telerik or something similar.
- grokys 10y ago
  No not currently - were still working on the core at the moment, though I think we're just about ready for it now if anyone was interested in starting on it.
  - govert 10y ago
    Maybe Avalonia support can be added to OxyPlot (https://github.com/oxyplot/oxyplot/tree/develop/Source https://github.com/oxyplot/oxyplot/tree/develop/Source). It's already portable with a bunch of rendering targets.
yodon 10y ago
Any chance you plan on supporting UI's for Unity3d?
- grokys 10y ago
  Not really thought about unity in particular, but we do have game ui as a potential use-case.
  - johnhattan 10y ago
    Would this potentially work with Monogame, as that's built on the same framework?
    - grokys 10y ago
      Honestly - no idea. However our backends are pluggable so in theory you should be able to adapt it. However, I imagine our performance at the moment exclude use in games. It's something that needs to be optimized.
      - c-smile 10y ago
        What graphics backend do you use there? If you want it to be used in games then on Windows, for example, Direct2D is the only reasonable option. It will allow to render UI on layers inside DirectX 3D scenes: http://sciter.com/sciter-and-directx/ http://sciter.com/sciter-and-directx/
        grokys 10y ago
        Yep, we have a Direct2D backend (in fact that's our main one - the others are lagging behind a little)
lossolo 10y ago
I was looking for something like this after .NET Core 1.0 announce. I am just waiting for it to be compatible with .NET Core. Any plans for making it compatible? Great job!
- grokys 10y ago
  Yep! The main thing that's holding me back personally is that we'd have to convert our .csprojs to project.json... And then convert them back in a few months/a year when core moves back to .csproj. So seems like wasted effort to me right now...
  - joshburgess 10y ago
    Why are they moving back to .csproj?
    - samirageb 10y ago
      See the official statement here: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/05/23/changes-to-project-json/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/05/23/changes-t...
      - MichaelGG 10y ago
        There was nothing wrong with csproj, apart from the MSBuild verbosity baggage. JSON's a terrible format for anything like this due to lack of comments and visual noise. (The mandatory quotes all over the place makes it hard to read.) But I can't imagine it is hard to convert between them. Most .csproj's are basically a list of references and a <Compile><Include>*.cs.
        girvo 10y ago
        > due to lack of comments Visual Studio Code handles this by just allowing comments in JSON used for configuration, heh.
mwcampbell 10y ago
Do you have any plans to implement accessibility? On Windows, you should probably implement a UI Automation provider. For GTK-based platforms, I guess you need to use ATK. You'll need an accessibility API of your own to abstract over the multiple back-ends; maybe copy what Gecko has in its nsIAccessible and related interfaces.
- grokys 10y ago
  Yes this is definitely something we need to do. Unfortunately it's not something I'm very familiar with, but contributions welcome! ;)
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colejohnson66 10y ago
Are there any plans to support styling so you can get a native look-and-feel on non "Modern" Windows operating systems?
- grokys 10y ago
  There's already https://github.com/picoe/Eto https://github.com/picoe/Eto if you want to use native controls - if that's what you need go for it! But there's a need for both approaches IMO and hopefully Avalonia can start to fill one of those! EDIT: Ah you edited your question: yes controls are fully styleable - the reason we've got the "modern" look so far is simply because it's easy! More themes, and "native" looking themes are definitely welcome.
  - jsingleton 10y ago
    It looks like Eto doesn't plan to support .NET Core. https://github.com/picoe/Eto/issues/457 https://github.com/picoe/Eto/issues/457 But this might change if a framework like Avalonia adds Core support.
zem 10y ago
what is the support for custom controls like? (i.e. inheriting from a canvas and drawing themselves, while being added as a new widget type to the layout code.)
- grokys 10y ago
  Custom controls are supported, although I'm not sure that inheriting from Canvas is the best way to do that. See e.g. https://github.com/Core2D/Core2D https://github.com/Core2D/Core2D for an example of an application with lots of custom controls.
- wiso 10y ago
  The support is great, you can see this example [1] of using custom rendering in Canvas being part of UI layout [2]. You can also see Avalonia in action here [3]. [1] https://github.com/wieslawsoltes/SpiroNet/blob/master/src/SpiroNet.Avalonia/Renderer/CanvasRenderer.cs https://github.com/wieslawsoltes/SpiroNet/blob/master/src/Sp... [2] https://github.com/wieslawsoltes/SpiroNet/blob/master/src/SpiroNet.Avalonia/Views/EditorView.xaml#L164 https://github.com/wieslawsoltes/SpiroNet/blob/master/src/Sp... [3] https://youtu.be/wZK9MPR_UeE https://youtu.be/wZK9MPR_UeE

by grokys 10y ago

Hi all, I'm the originator of this project and the main contributor, please ask anything you like! Though this did have to hit front page when I'm doing a day of travel didn't it? :)

heinbau 10y ago

Anything around graphing yet? Or Is that still something that I would need to roll with SyncFusion, Telerik or something similar.

grokys 10y ago
No not currently - were still working on the core at the moment, though I think we're just about ready for it now if anyone was interested in starting on it.
- govert 10y ago
  Maybe Avalonia support can be added to OxyPlot (https://github.com/oxyplot/oxyplot/tree/develop/Source https://github.com/oxyplot/oxyplot/tree/develop/Source). It's already portable with a bunch of rendering targets.

yodon 10y ago

Any chance you plan on supporting UI's for Unity3d?

grokys 10y ago
Not really thought about unity in particular, but we do have game ui as a potential use-case.
- johnhattan 10y ago
  Would this potentially work with Monogame, as that's built on the same framework?
  - grokys 10y ago
    Honestly - no idea. However our backends are pluggable so in theory you should be able to adapt it. However, I imagine our performance at the moment exclude use in games. It's something that needs to be optimized.
    - c-smile 10y ago
      What graphics backend do you use there? If you want it to be used in games then on Windows, for example, Direct2D is the only reasonable option. It will allow to render UI on layers inside DirectX 3D scenes: http://sciter.com/sciter-and-directx/ http://sciter.com/sciter-and-directx/
      - grokys 10y ago
        Yep, we have a Direct2D backend (in fact that's our main one - the others are lagging behind a little)

lossolo 10y ago

I was looking for something like this after .NET Core 1.0 announce. I am just waiting for it to be compatible with .NET Core. Any plans for making it compatible? Great job!

grokys 10y ago
Yep! The main thing that's holding me back personally is that we'd have to convert our .csprojs to project.json... And then convert them back in a few months/a year when core moves back to .csproj. So seems like wasted effort to me right now...
- joshburgess 10y ago
  Why are they moving back to .csproj?
  - samirageb 10y ago
    See the official statement here: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/05/23/changes-to-project-json/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/05/23/changes-t...
    - MichaelGG 10y ago
      There was nothing wrong with csproj, apart from the MSBuild verbosity baggage. JSON's a terrible format for anything like this due to lack of comments and visual noise. (The mandatory quotes all over the place makes it hard to read.) But I can't imagine it is hard to convert between them. Most .csproj's are basically a list of references and a <Compile><Include>*.cs.
      - girvo 10y ago
        > due to lack of comments Visual Studio Code handles this by just allowing comments in JSON used for configuration, heh.

mwcampbell 10y ago

Do you have any plans to implement accessibility? On Windows, you should probably implement a UI Automation provider. For GTK-based platforms, I guess you need to use ATK. You'll need an accessibility API of your own to abstract over the multiple back-ends; maybe copy what Gecko has in its nsIAccessible and related interfaces.

grokys 10y ago
Yes this is definitely something we need to do. Unfortunately it's not something I'm very familiar with, but contributions welcome! ;)

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colejohnson66 10y ago

Are there any plans to support styling so you can get a native look-and-feel on non "Modern" Windows operating systems?

grokys 10y ago
There's already https://github.com/picoe/Eto https://github.com/picoe/Eto if you want to use native controls - if that's what you need go for it! But there's a need for both approaches IMO and hopefully Avalonia can start to fill one of those! EDIT: Ah you edited your question: yes controls are fully styleable - the reason we've got the "modern" look so far is simply because it's easy! More themes, and "native" looking themes are definitely welcome.
- jsingleton 10y ago
  It looks like Eto doesn't plan to support .NET Core. https://github.com/picoe/Eto/issues/457 https://github.com/picoe/Eto/issues/457 But this might change if a framework like Avalonia adds Core support.

zem 10y ago

what is the support for custom controls like? (i.e. inheriting from a canvas and drawing themselves, while being added as a new widget type to the layout code.)

grokys 10y ago
Custom controls are supported, although I'm not sure that inheriting from Canvas is the best way to do that. See e.g. https://github.com/Core2D/Core2D https://github.com/Core2D/Core2D for an example of an application with lots of custom controls.
wiso 10y ago
The support is great, you can see this example [1] of using custom rendering in Canvas being part of UI layout [2]. You can also see Avalonia in action here [3]. [1] https://github.com/wieslawsoltes/SpiroNet/blob/master/src/SpiroNet.Avalonia/Renderer/CanvasRenderer.cs https://github.com/wieslawsoltes/SpiroNet/blob/master/src/Sp... [2] https://github.com/wieslawsoltes/SpiroNet/blob/master/src/SpiroNet.Avalonia/Views/EditorView.xaml#L164 https://github.com/wieslawsoltes/SpiroNet/blob/master/src/Sp... [3] https://youtu.be/wZK9MPR_UeE https://youtu.be/wZK9MPR_UeE