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Presumably similar consequences to the ones we suffered for using GIF and JPEG images, and MP3s? Those were tough, I must admit.

ZeroGravitas 17y ago
JPEG was specifically created to a be royalty-free standard. JPEG 2000 is the more advanced format with patent royalties that no-one uses on the web for that very reason.
- varjag 17y ago
  No it wasn't. There was arithmetic encoding option, which was owned and patented by IBM and was not royalty-free. As result everyone implementing codecs had to stick with less efficient, but free Huffman encoding.
  - ZeroGravitas 17y ago
    Interesting, so that amends my statement to: Baseline profile JPEG was specifically created to be a royalty-free standard. JPEG-arithmetic is the more advanced optional extension to the format with patent royalties that no-one uses on the web for that very reason. (Though to be fair to IBM, though the situation appears vaguer than I'd like, it seems they were happy to licence their patents royalty-free, but other companies that also held patents weren't: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetic_coding#US_patents_on_arithmetic_coding, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetic_coding#US_patents_on...)
- butterfi 17y ago
  hmm. I think you might be thinking of PNG, which to my memory was the codec developed as a response to patent issues.
- houseabsolute 17y ago
  Afaict jpeg, despite it's intentions, has still been dogged by a number of expensive patent fights.
Raphael_Amiard 17y ago
Well still today getting a mp3 decoder on some linux platforms, while not tough, is annoying. And still today a better format exists (ogg vorbis) that almost nobody uses, mainly for inertia reasons. So i'd argue that choosing the right format from the start would be nice this time.
- jonknee 17y ago
  Are you insinuating that Ogg Theora is a better format than h.264?
  - Raphael_Amiard 17y ago
    no because it is not, and that's our problem in this situation. I really hope google is gonna open on2 VP8 : http://www.on2.com/index.php?599 http://www.on2.com/index.php?599 It looks even better than h.264, and it could definately solve this mess

ZeroGravitas 17y ago

JPEG was specifically created to a be royalty-free standard. JPEG 2000 is the more advanced format with patent royalties that no-one uses on the web for that very reason.

varjag 17y ago
No it wasn't. There was arithmetic encoding option, which was owned and patented by IBM and was not royalty-free. As result everyone implementing codecs had to stick with less efficient, but free Huffman encoding.
- ZeroGravitas 17y ago
  Interesting, so that amends my statement to: Baseline profile JPEG was specifically created to be a royalty-free standard. JPEG-arithmetic is the more advanced optional extension to the format with patent royalties that no-one uses on the web for that very reason. (Though to be fair to IBM, though the situation appears vaguer than I'd like, it seems they were happy to licence their patents royalty-free, but other companies that also held patents weren't: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetic_coding#US_patents_on_arithmetic_coding, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetic_coding#US_patents_on...)
butterfi 17y ago
hmm. I think you might be thinking of PNG, which to my memory was the codec developed as a response to patent issues.
houseabsolute 17y ago
Afaict jpeg, despite it's intentions, has still been dogged by a number of expensive patent fights.

Raphael_Amiard 17y ago

Well still today getting a mp3 decoder on some linux platforms, while not tough, is annoying. And still today a better format exists (ogg vorbis) that almost nobody uses, mainly for inertia reasons. So i'd argue that choosing the right format from the start would be nice this time.

jonknee 17y ago
Are you insinuating that Ogg Theora is a better format than h.264?
- Raphael_Amiard 17y ago
  no because it is not, and that's our problem in this situation. I really hope google is gonna open on2 VP8 : http://www.on2.com/index.php?599 http://www.on2.com/index.php?599 It looks even better than h.264, and it could definately solve this mess