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I would avoid any speculation into malicious and/or manipulative actions. Personally, I think PVP is a beautiful idea, but fails in practice. Even if you were c

I would avoid any speculation into malicious and/or manipulative actions. Personally, I think PVP is a beautiful idea, but fails in practice. Even if you were correct in asserting that Yesod devs were intentionally polluting the waters by refusing to supply upper version bounds, such a fragile system clearly shouldn't be the tool of choice for Haskell. BTW, none of my issues with cabal stemmed from FP Complete packages. It was a widespread problem, and it's not spreading FUD to be outspoken about it. People like you really raise the level of name calling to a whole new level. It's open source, people are free to choose what tool they wish to use, develop which tool they wish, and recommend which tools they wish. Believe me, FP Complete is not makings tons of profit in an attempt to convert everyone to Stackage.

MustardTiger 10y ago
It is absolutely spreading FUD to convince new users that simple problems they have are "cabal hell" and are best solved by switching to stack. And being open source does not make anything I said "name calling".
- Tehnix 10y ago
  You sound like you have never tried to install any sizable haskell package ever... Cabal-hell was a very real problem, and an inordinate amount of time was spent by package maintainers to help people installing their packages, even on the IRC #haskell channel, cabal-hell questions would very frequently pop-up. Also, you FUD about Yesod is not true at all, they followed the PVP closely up until 1.1.0, as another commenter mentioned. Even with the PVP, you would basically have to nuke your cabal packages, or, when sandboxes finally came in cabal, you could use them. Stack completely removes some very real problems with building packages. Honestly, having read all your comments in this thread, you seem to be either a troll, or someone who clearly has no idea of the history of haskell tooling....
  - MustardTiger 10y ago
    >You sound like you have never tried to install any sizable haskell package ever. You sound like you have never read what I posted and decided a strawman was better than replying to what I actually said. >Cabal-hell was a very real problem Nobody suggested otherwise. Tricking people into thinking normal errors are "cabal hell" does not mean cabal hell didn't exist.
lallysingh 10y ago
What were the failures with PvP? Is there a blog post/postmortem I could read?

MustardTiger 10y ago

It is absolutely spreading FUD to convince new users that simple problems they have are "cabal hell" and are best solved by switching to stack. And being open source does not make anything I said "name calling".

Tehnix 10y ago
You sound like you have never tried to install any sizable haskell package ever... Cabal-hell was a very real problem, and an inordinate amount of time was spent by package maintainers to help people installing their packages, even on the IRC #haskell channel, cabal-hell questions would very frequently pop-up. Also, you FUD about Yesod is not true at all, they followed the PVP closely up until 1.1.0, as another commenter mentioned. Even with the PVP, you would basically have to nuke your cabal packages, or, when sandboxes finally came in cabal, you could use them. Stack completely removes some very real problems with building packages. Honestly, having read all your comments in this thread, you seem to be either a troll, or someone who clearly has no idea of the history of haskell tooling....
- MustardTiger 10y ago
  >You sound like you have never tried to install any sizable haskell package ever. You sound like you have never read what I posted and decided a strawman was better than replying to what I actually said. >Cabal-hell was a very real problem Nobody suggested otherwise. Tricking people into thinking normal errors are "cabal hell" does not mean cabal hell didn't exist.

lallysingh 10y ago

What were the failures with PvP? Is there a blog post/postmortem I could read?