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Sure, let's not avoid killing thousands of endangered animals so people can keep restoring old pianos. Priorities, right ?
by phowat 10y ago
Sure, let's not avoid killing thousands of endangered animals so people can keep restoring old pianos. Priorities, right ?
- zbjornson 10y agoNo, my point is that you can both stop poaching and preserve antiques, but not with a blind, total ban on trade.
- phowat 10y agoFrom the article: "However, experts believe that there is currently no way to prevent poached ivory from entering legal chains and then finding a way on to the world market." So no, it seems that you can't do both.
- adamnemecek 10y agoHow? Where would this ivory come from? Why is it important for the pianos to have ivory inlays?
- zbjornson 10y agoLast line of my first comment: a few people around the world recover ivory from other products for use in restoration. The restoration issue aside, banning resale of a 100+ year old instrument because it contains ivory doesn't help the elephants today.
- adamnemecek 10y ago> a few people around the world recover ivory from other products for use in restoration How do you know where they source their ivory from? > The restoration issue aside, banning resale of a 100+ year old instrument because it contains ivory doesn't help the elephants today. Of course it does. It adds stigma to using ivory.
- sliverstorm 10y agoNo, I think it adds romance & mystique. Banning something doesn't make it gross, it makes it more desirable because you can't get it.
- adamnemecek 10y agoCan you give an example?
- sliverstorm 10y agoBanned books. The Streisand effect. Prohibition (alcohol consumption went down after the 21st Amendment). Private collections of stolen/conflict artwork (we know they exist mostly because of estate sales). Exotic pets, esp. illegal exotic pets (see Zanesville, Ohio). Adam & Eve.
- adamnemecek 10y agocertain not buying that the main motivation for people buying all those listed things is that it's illegal.
- zbjornson 10y agoI'm not sure what good that stigma does (or if it even makes having ivory more alluring). No new instruments use ivory, thankfully, and no one buys a gigantic organ because it has ivory inlays or a violin bow because it has tiny ivory frogs.
- chrischen 10y agoThe reason Rhinos are being poached is the fact that its illegal to take their horns. They cannot farm Rhinos for horns so wild Rhinos end up being killed for it. It is in fact possible to remove Rhino horns safely eithout killing the animal. This issue is another perfect example of people thousands of miles away detached being in an uproar with half assed solutions like "ban ivory" which exacerbate the problem.
- zymhan 10y ago> people thousands of miles away You read the part about the wildlife officials in African countries that support the ban, right?
- chrischen 10y agoI'm sure they have people on both sides, but they're just being used to legitimize the Western voices.
- justinlardinois 10y agoPeople's opinions about their own countries "are just being used" to support foreign agendas?
- nitrogen 10y agoSince this is about an EU decision, yes, that is exactly what is happening.
- justinlardinois 10y agoYou're making it sound like the EU is just deciding what's best for Africa, and the Africans in support are just yes men. In your worldview is it ever possible for a governing body to pass laws that have benefits in places outside its jurisdiction, without it being a unilateral decision imposed on them?