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Also: 4) migrate to other languages, such as Go ... which is not uncommon, and in many cases a pretty good idea.

by zeroxfe 10y ago

ubernostrum 10y ago
migrate to other languages, such as Go This depends heavily on the type of work someone is doing. People doing numeric/scientific computing work with Python can't really do this, for example, because there's a distinct lack of other languages with equivalents to the libraries and tooling Python gives them for their work. And that's a chicken/egg feedback loop problem: Go needs the libraries and tools, but in order get them needs people to move, but in order to get people to move needs the libraries/tools, and so on.
- tanlermin 10y ago
  Julia will be a suitable (superior) alternative soon.
  - ubernostrum 10y ago
    Remember that the other thing about Python is that it's got good support for other types of programming -- for example, I work at a company which settled on Python (in part) because it allows a single language end-to-end. Our data ingestion, analytics/processing/number crunching, and end-user applications based on the data can all be built in Python, and even if you're not a domain expert in one of those areas you can at least read code to see what's going on and not be totally lost.
    - tanlermin 10y ago
      Julia can do all that. its also a general programming language
      - nameless912 10y ago
        Well sure, in the same way MATLAB is a general programming language. It can be done, but it'll make you feel icky.
      - rspeer 10y ago
        It's like you're recommending a restaurant by saying that its food is "edible". All in all, this is a bad recommendation. Julia is version 0.4. Its syntax changes with every version. It is not going to be stable soon. It is so far from stable that it doesn't have a plan for what stability will look like. It's fine if you want to get in on the ground floor of a programming language, or to learn a new language for the fun of it, but it's completely unreasonable to suggest that you could replace a programming language that people use for their jobs that way.
  - keypusher 10y ago
    I've seen people saying this for years, yet I don't know anyone that has actually switched over. The people I do who have tried came right back to Python, often within a few days or weeks.
    - tanlermin 10y ago
      careful continuing that linear extrapolation...I think it's about to hit a tipping point due to packages and tooling being much better.
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- rspeer 10y ago
  And if you don't have time to switch from Python 2 to 3, you definitely don't have time to switch to Go.

Also: 4) migrate to other languages, such as Go ... which is not uncommon, and in many cases a pretty good idea.

by zeroxfe 10y ago

Also: 4) migrate to other languages, such as Go ... which is not uncommon, and in many cases a pretty good idea.

migrate to other languages, such as Go This depends heavily on the type of work someone is doing. People doing numeric/scientific computing work with Python can't really do this, for example, because there's a distinct lack of other languages with equivalents to the libraries and tooling Python gives them for their work. And that's a chicken/egg feedback loop problem: Go needs the libraries and tools, but in order get them needs people to move, but in order to get people to move needs the libraries/tools, and so on.

tanlermin 10y ago
Julia will be a suitable (superior) alternative soon.
- ubernostrum 10y ago
  Remember that the other thing about Python is that it's got good support for other types of programming -- for example, I work at a company which settled on Python (in part) because it allows a single language end-to-end. Our data ingestion, analytics/processing/number crunching, and end-user applications based on the data can all be built in Python, and even if you're not a domain expert in one of those areas you can at least read code to see what's going on and not be totally lost.
  - tanlermin 10y ago
    Julia can do all that. its also a general programming language
    - nameless912 10y ago
      Well sure, in the same way MATLAB is a general programming language. It can be done, but it'll make you feel icky.
    - rspeer 10y ago
      It's like you're recommending a restaurant by saying that its food is "edible". All in all, this is a bad recommendation. Julia is version 0.4. Its syntax changes with every version. It is not going to be stable soon. It is so far from stable that it doesn't have a plan for what stability will look like. It's fine if you want to get in on the ground floor of a programming language, or to learn a new language for the fun of it, but it's completely unreasonable to suggest that you could replace a programming language that people use for their jobs that way.
- keypusher 10y ago
  I've seen people saying this for years, yet I don't know anyone that has actually switched over. The people I do who have tried came right back to Python, often within a few days or weeks.
  - tanlermin 10y ago
    careful continuing that linear extrapolation...I think it's about to hit a tipping point due to packages and tooling being much better.
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rspeer 10y ago
And if you don't have time to switch from Python 2 to 3, you definitely don't have time to switch to Go.