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Wow, this is awful. It seems like there are a lot of immature people on both sides of this nonsense. If any of them are reading this: you're making your ecosyst

Wow, this is awful. It seems like there are a lot of immature people on both sides of this nonsense. If any of them are reading this: you're making your ecosystem look bad. Settle your differences privately and present a unified front.

dudul 10y ago
Are you aware of any "heated debate" at the root of this new website? The post doesn't seem to convey this idea.
- grp 10y ago
  We encourage all Haskellers to join, and to take part in lively discussions of how to improve the state of the art within Haskell. I read it like there should be a problem to solve, but english isn't my mother tongue.
  - dudul 10y ago
    It's not mine either, but I don't read it like that. It makes sense that they would encourage people to get involved. I mostly see mentions of aging tools which, I believe, is true (I'm not a hardcore practitioner, just a curious Haskeller on my spare time). I guess I'd like to see more in details what they are planning to do.
    - grp 10y ago
      I hope the first one will be: solving the gui state!
  - lovich 10y ago
    English is my mother tongue, and this just reads like an invitation to the community. "Lively discussions" is sometimes a euphemism for a heated debate but I didnt get that feeling from this
- hyperpape 10y ago
  I haven't really followed it that much, but there absolutely is a debate, and at least some of the people involved are feeling some real acrimony. Here's snoyberg, one of the people behind the new website: https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/4l3y9f/store_a_new_and_efficient_binary_serialization/d3nb10l https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/4l3y9f/store_a_new...
tome 10y ago
Could you explain more about what's awful and immature? Do you mean the linked website, or the discussion here, or somewhere else?
- Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
  The difference between haskell.org and haskell-lang.org, the new subreddit and IRC channel, the cat fights between the designer and haskell.org, and so on.
  - Buttons840 10y ago
    The new subreddit is for discussing the new site, not for general Haskell discussion. The top moderator of /r/haskell_lang confirms this: https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell_lang/comments/4rv4uu/is_this_the_official_haskell_subreddit_or_is/d54cpja https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell_lang/comments/4rv4uu/is_thi...
    - gmfawcett 10y ago
      It's a bit broader than discussing the site, if you accept what they have announced. The subreddit (and twitter feed, etc.) will be "open to all to discuss the contents of the website, and more broadly how to make Haskell as welcoming a language, community, and ecosystem as can be managed." That second part implies a wider mandate.
- rdslw 10y ago
  Easy: why new subreddit? Do they also want to blame design? ;)
  - dllthomas 10y ago
    It seems worth noting that the Reddit link under the Community tab on the new site goes to r/haskell
massysett 10y ago
I don't think it's awful and immature for different people to have strong opinions on the future of Haskell. There have been honest attempts on all sides to work these problems out. The current haskell.org reflects some of this, as the download page has both Stack and Haskell Platform. If they cannot work it out there is nothing to be feared by them parting ways. As a community-driven ecosystem, that's the only choice the community members have. Users have no right to expect anything else from such an ecosystem. If users want something clean and tidy, they need to go use something driven by a corporate overlord.

dudul 10y ago

Are you aware of any "heated debate" at the root of this new website? The post doesn't seem to convey this idea.

grp 10y ago
We encourage all Haskellers to join, and to take part in lively discussions of how to improve the state of the art within Haskell. I read it like there should be a problem to solve, but english isn't my mother tongue.
- dudul 10y ago
  It's not mine either, but I don't read it like that. It makes sense that they would encourage people to get involved. I mostly see mentions of aging tools which, I believe, is true (I'm not a hardcore practitioner, just a curious Haskeller on my spare time). I guess I'd like to see more in details what they are planning to do.
  - grp 10y ago
    I hope the first one will be: solving the gui state!
- lovich 10y ago
  English is my mother tongue, and this just reads like an invitation to the community. "Lively discussions" is sometimes a euphemism for a heated debate but I didnt get that feeling from this
hyperpape 10y ago
I haven't really followed it that much, but there absolutely is a debate, and at least some of the people involved are feeling some real acrimony. Here's snoyberg, one of the people behind the new website: https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/4l3y9f/store_a_new_and_efficient_binary_serialization/d3nb10l https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/4l3y9f/store_a_new...

tome 10y ago

Could you explain more about what's awful and immature? Do you mean the linked website, or the discussion here, or somewhere else?

Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
The difference between haskell.org and haskell-lang.org, the new subreddit and IRC channel, the cat fights between the designer and haskell.org, and so on.
- Buttons840 10y ago
  The new subreddit is for discussing the new site, not for general Haskell discussion. The top moderator of /r/haskell_lang confirms this: https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell_lang/comments/4rv4uu/is_this_the_official_haskell_subreddit_or_is/d54cpja https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell_lang/comments/4rv4uu/is_thi...
  - gmfawcett 10y ago
    It's a bit broader than discussing the site, if you accept what they have announced. The subreddit (and twitter feed, etc.) will be "open to all to discuss the contents of the website, and more broadly how to make Haskell as welcoming a language, community, and ecosystem as can be managed." That second part implies a wider mandate.
rdslw 10y ago
Easy: why new subreddit? Do they also want to blame design? ;)
- dllthomas 10y ago
  It seems worth noting that the Reddit link under the Community tab on the new site goes to r/haskell

massysett 10y ago

I don't think it's awful and immature for different people to have strong opinions on the future of Haskell. There have been honest attempts on all sides to work these problems out. The current haskell.org reflects some of this, as the download page has both Stack and Haskell Platform. If they cannot work it out there is nothing to be feared by them parting ways. As a community-driven ecosystem, that's the only choice the community members have. Users have no right to expect anything else from such an ecosystem. If users want something clean and tidy, they need to go use something driven by a corporate overlord.