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Just because people currently don't hate the government enough to match on Washington with guns, it doesn't mean that if things get worse they won't ever do it,

by corin_ 10y ago

Just because people currently don't hate the government enough to match on Washington with guns, it doesn't mean that if things get worse they won't ever do it, so the argument for keeping that as an option is still valid. (N.B. I'm not American, and am entirely against gun ownership being a right, so I don't think the argument is a worthy one regardless)

pjc50 10y ago
No, people hate the government (or at least the police) enough to start sniping police officers at random. I don't think the people advocating guns as a check against the government have thought for a moment what it actually looks like in practice. It looks like Dallas at the moment, only more so.
- vacri 10y ago
  I think a lot of them think that it will be "militias in the woods against the national guard, winning through guts and woodsmanship" or something, conjuring up images of units v units battles from two centuries ago, rather than the pattern seen all over the world for the past couple of decades - urban guerilla strikes. The people won't fight the army, because it's not the army that's directing their lives. The police are the most visible authority of the government to the domestic population, so if the 2nd amendment is to be used in it's original intent, it will look like Dallas as you say, and not some paintball woodlands adventure on steroids. Two centuries ago, the government sent units in ships over the sea from a foreign land. In the modern era, the government is composed of the same citizens that dream of fighting it. Nothing will change, though. Unless a rash of copycat crimes happens, there'll just be the same speeches by the same talking heads, and it won't make a lick of difference.
- splintercell 10y ago
  > I don't think the people advocating guns as a check against the government have thought for a moment what it actually looks like in practice. It looks like Dallas at the moment, only more so. I am pretty sure they have. I don't think you understand how serious situation will be in America if there is a serious threat to gun rights. I believe this is in part because both the groups (pro-gun and anti-gun) are segregated. So anti-gunners don't comprehend how serious things could turn out. However they(mostly whites) expect this kind of scenario to happen if there is an Australia style gun grab. Also don't forget that there are black militia groups in America too (esp in Texas) for instance Huey P Newton Gun Club[1]. At least one black militia group has taken responsibility for these attacks[2], and made a call for more people to get guns and join them. 1. https://hueypnewtongunclub.wordpress.com/ https://hueypnewtongunclub.wordpress.com/ 2. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dallas-police-shooting-black-power-8378177 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dallas-police-shooti...

by corin_ 10y ago

pjc50 10y ago

No, people hate the government (or at least the police) enough to start sniping police officers at random. I don't think the people advocating guns as a check against the government have thought for a moment what it actually looks like in practice. It looks like Dallas at the moment, only more so.

vacri 10y ago
I think a lot of them think that it will be "militias in the woods against the national guard, winning through guts and woodsmanship" or something, conjuring up images of units v units battles from two centuries ago, rather than the pattern seen all over the world for the past couple of decades - urban guerilla strikes. The people won't fight the army, because it's not the army that's directing their lives. The police are the most visible authority of the government to the domestic population, so if the 2nd amendment is to be used in it's original intent, it will look like Dallas as you say, and not some paintball woodlands adventure on steroids. Two centuries ago, the government sent units in ships over the sea from a foreign land. In the modern era, the government is composed of the same citizens that dream of fighting it. Nothing will change, though. Unless a rash of copycat crimes happens, there'll just be the same speeches by the same talking heads, and it won't make a lick of difference.
splintercell 10y ago
> I don't think the people advocating guns as a check against the government have thought for a moment what it actually looks like in practice. It looks like Dallas at the moment, only more so. I am pretty sure they have. I don't think you understand how serious situation will be in America if there is a serious threat to gun rights. I believe this is in part because both the groups (pro-gun and anti-gun) are segregated. So anti-gunners don't comprehend how serious things could turn out. However they(mostly whites) expect this kind of scenario to happen if there is an Australia style gun grab. Also don't forget that there are black militia groups in America too (esp in Texas) for instance Huey P Newton Gun Club[1]. At least one black militia group has taken responsibility for these attacks[2], and made a call for more people to get guns and join them. 1. https://hueypnewtongunclub.wordpress.com/ https://hueypnewtongunclub.wordpress.com/ 2. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dallas-police-shooting-black-power-8378177 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dallas-police-shooti...