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I think it's selling Marissa short to say she just didn't understand the contracts or her legal options and potential consequences. I think she understood the

I think it's selling Marissa short to say she just didn't understand the contracts or her legal options and potential consequences. I think she understood the consequences but thought that the risk was worth the reward. In some cases I think personal hubris was involved. I don't do Billion dollar deals but I've done my share of 7 figure ones. At some point in every negotiation you need to tell your attorney that you understand the risks and you're willing to accept those risks or nothing would ever get signed. I think Marissa was convinced the Mozilla deal would be huge for Yahoo. She likely didn't think or care if the company got sold (honestly in that case she's probably out so there's no personal risk for her) and she was convinced DeCastro would be able to do at Yahoo what he was able to do at Google.

jonknee 10y ago
> I think it's selling Marissa short to say she just didn't understand the contracts or her legal options and potential consequences. So she understood the consequences, but just had no clue as to their likelihood or didn't care because she would be set financially? It's horrible either way, she should not be negotiating deals at all.
- techolic 10y ago
  > but just had no clue as to their likelihood Likelihood is probability based on factors, each of which has different weight and is again based on other factors. In hindsight, the likelihood seems obvious; when she was making the decision, not so much.
- rgbrenner 10y ago
  there is a favorable interpretation of this for Meyer. they're in a bidding war for mozilla with Google and Bing. Yahoo needs their traffic and is willing to exceed the price of the other buyers.. but it's well known that Yahoo has been struggling for years. So a cautious Mozilla would not take their offer unless it was substantially higher, or had some kind of protection if yahoo fails. Yahoo offers this clause, since Mozilla wouldn't do the deal otherwise. Remember Mozilla wasn't desperate. They could have accepted another offer for at least $300m/year. Yahoo would have been seen as higher risk... people talk every few months about yahoo like it's a miracle they still exist. Now, I don't know what happened. but yahoo agreeing to this does not necessarily mean Marissa is incompetent or didn't care or whatever.
  - fapjacks 10y ago
    Right. I have a feeling that this is shocking mostly because of the context, and not necessarily because of the agreement itself. How many other high risk agreements have been made in the world? I'm pretty sure most of the human universe runs on this kind of thing, we just either don't find out about it because it pays off, or it doesn't matter, because the context isn't exciting. I said "wow" when I first read it, but only because of what I know about the whole Yahoo and Marissa situation, not because it seems like a particularly crazy deal by itself.
drumdance 10y ago
Back in the nineties Excite did a similar deal with Netscape. Not a billion dollars but it was something like $70 million when Excite only had a fraction of that in the bank. It worked for them in the short term. The traffic enabled them to raise more money and eventually IPO. Mayer probably thought a similar shoot-the-moon risk was necessary for Yahoo.
rburhum 10y ago
> At some point in every negotiation you need to tell your attorney that you understand the risks and you're willing to accept those risks or nothing would ever get signed. Amen to that!

jonknee 10y ago

> I think it's selling Marissa short to say she just didn't understand the contracts or her legal options and potential consequences. So she understood the consequences, but just had no clue as to their likelihood or didn't care because she would be set financially? It's horrible either way, she should not be negotiating deals at all.

techolic 10y ago
> but just had no clue as to their likelihood Likelihood is probability based on factors, each of which has different weight and is again based on other factors. In hindsight, the likelihood seems obvious; when she was making the decision, not so much.
rgbrenner 10y ago
there is a favorable interpretation of this for Meyer. they're in a bidding war for mozilla with Google and Bing. Yahoo needs their traffic and is willing to exceed the price of the other buyers.. but it's well known that Yahoo has been struggling for years. So a cautious Mozilla would not take their offer unless it was substantially higher, or had some kind of protection if yahoo fails. Yahoo offers this clause, since Mozilla wouldn't do the deal otherwise. Remember Mozilla wasn't desperate. They could have accepted another offer for at least $300m/year. Yahoo would have been seen as higher risk... people talk every few months about yahoo like it's a miracle they still exist. Now, I don't know what happened. but yahoo agreeing to this does not necessarily mean Marissa is incompetent or didn't care or whatever.
- fapjacks 10y ago
  Right. I have a feeling that this is shocking mostly because of the context, and not necessarily because of the agreement itself. How many other high risk agreements have been made in the world? I'm pretty sure most of the human universe runs on this kind of thing, we just either don't find out about it because it pays off, or it doesn't matter, because the context isn't exciting. I said "wow" when I first read it, but only because of what I know about the whole Yahoo and Marissa situation, not because it seems like a particularly crazy deal by itself.

drumdance 10y ago

Back in the nineties Excite did a similar deal with Netscape. Not a billion dollars but it was something like $70 million when Excite only had a fraction of that in the bank. It worked for them in the short term. The traffic enabled them to raise more money and eventually IPO. Mayer probably thought a similar shoot-the-moon risk was necessary for Yahoo.

rburhum 10y ago

> At some point in every negotiation you need to tell your attorney that you understand the risks and you're willing to accept those risks or nothing would ever get signed. Amen to that!