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He may well (in fact, probably was) beating at his neighbour's door in the first instance - but the second, you'll have to take their word for it. If you read

He may well (in fact, probably was) beating at his neighbour's door in the first instance - but the second, you'll have to take their word for it. If you read the autopsy, specifically about the blunt force trauma, either he put up on hell of a fight, or they did indeed paste him.

dpark 10y ago
> you'll have to take their word for it. I'm pretty sure if you care to check, you can get the police report for the second incident and go ask the relevant neighbors. The likelihood that the police were waiting for Murdock to show up at his home so they could randomly attack him seems vanishingly low. Excessive force I could believe. Police with nothing better to do than randomly assault an upper-class white man repeatedly? Not as much.
- SFJulie 10y ago
  I may beg for a godwin point pointing this but, the upper white man was also suffering a mental condition. And as much as poors, coloured, and psychotics or people suffering from mental diseases have a tendency to be treated in a rather unfavorable way by the police forces. They are weak, and not liked by some citizens. And, I think I am gonna win my Godwin Point here stating that making hierarchy in discrimination is exactly what have led to the tolerance to nazi's final solution. They did send the homo, the unionists, the ill and crazies, the opponents (whistle blowers of the time) and then the gipsies and jews. Yes it is true the jews and the gipsies paid the highest price, but they got the acceptation of their camp by sending in a dis-unified populations some «legitimate» persons. I am pretty much saying that when this kind of shift in sorting the true/fake victim from the bucket of all the victims happens there is a slippery slope. Concerning ian's death, the twitter were looking like he was actually assaulted and was fearing police. With more information, it looks now more like a suicide. Still some stuff remain unclear, but I am no detective, nor judge so I have no insights. Still, I saw a lot of friend coders falling into drugs, one committing suicide and some losing their mental health/balance. So, I am still curious about this story.
  - dpark 10y ago
    To be clear, I'm not saying that it would be okay for the police to assault Murdock if he were not white, or not wealthy, not male, or anything else. My point was that if someone believes that the police are systematically targeting the less privileged, then they wouldn't have targeted Murdock. And while yes, Murdock appears to have had some kind of mental illness during all this, it's unfair to say that the police "targeted" him because of that without any evidence. It would likewise be unfair to accuse the police of targeting Murdock for being a black woman (if he were a black woman) absent some evidence to support that. Aside from Murdock's somewhat-incoherent twitter claims, there seems to be nothing supporting the idea that the police "targeted" him in any way or otherwise abused their power. So far it's purely speculation, and given that it's been six months, I have to assume no evidence will appear and the accusations of police misconduct here will remain baseless speculation. I understand your concern about ignoring complaints from the mentally-ill and other underprivileged groups being a bad precedent and a slippery slope to broader abuse. I agree and would not advocate for ignoring these sorts of complaints. I think each complaint should be given due consideration. In this particular case, with the information that has been made broadly available, I don't personally see evidence to support any claims that the police did anything wrong.
    - SFJulie 10y ago
      It is fair to say that police in USA is not targeting anyone, and it is also fair to say the majority are not being treated as the powerful. However, the white mentally ill according to the lack of news regarding the figures tends to put mentally ill people in the majority case, a silent case. Hence my point of view : discrimination in discrimination leads to awful results.
jcranmer 10y ago
If you read the tweets, and then the autopsy, you'll wonder which wound was so serious it needed stitches, considering there are only three minor lacerations, and absolutely no mention of stitches anywhere. If he's telling the truth about police brutality, then why did he need to make up needing stitches?

dpark 10y ago

> you'll have to take their word for it. I'm pretty sure if you care to check, you can get the police report for the second incident and go ask the relevant neighbors. The likelihood that the police were waiting for Murdock to show up at his home so they could randomly attack him seems vanishingly low. Excessive force I could believe. Police with nothing better to do than randomly assault an upper-class white man repeatedly? Not as much.

SFJulie 10y ago
I may beg for a godwin point pointing this but, the upper white man was also suffering a mental condition. And as much as poors, coloured, and psychotics or people suffering from mental diseases have a tendency to be treated in a rather unfavorable way by the police forces. They are weak, and not liked by some citizens. And, I think I am gonna win my Godwin Point here stating that making hierarchy in discrimination is exactly what have led to the tolerance to nazi's final solution. They did send the homo, the unionists, the ill and crazies, the opponents (whistle blowers of the time) and then the gipsies and jews. Yes it is true the jews and the gipsies paid the highest price, but they got the acceptation of their camp by sending in a dis-unified populations some «legitimate» persons. I am pretty much saying that when this kind of shift in sorting the true/fake victim from the bucket of all the victims happens there is a slippery slope. Concerning ian's death, the twitter were looking like he was actually assaulted and was fearing police. With more information, it looks now more like a suicide. Still some stuff remain unclear, but I am no detective, nor judge so I have no insights. Still, I saw a lot of friend coders falling into drugs, one committing suicide and some losing their mental health/balance. So, I am still curious about this story.
- dpark 10y ago
  To be clear, I'm not saying that it would be okay for the police to assault Murdock if he were not white, or not wealthy, not male, or anything else. My point was that if someone believes that the police are systematically targeting the less privileged, then they wouldn't have targeted Murdock. And while yes, Murdock appears to have had some kind of mental illness during all this, it's unfair to say that the police "targeted" him because of that without any evidence. It would likewise be unfair to accuse the police of targeting Murdock for being a black woman (if he were a black woman) absent some evidence to support that. Aside from Murdock's somewhat-incoherent twitter claims, there seems to be nothing supporting the idea that the police "targeted" him in any way or otherwise abused their power. So far it's purely speculation, and given that it's been six months, I have to assume no evidence will appear and the accusations of police misconduct here will remain baseless speculation. I understand your concern about ignoring complaints from the mentally-ill and other underprivileged groups being a bad precedent and a slippery slope to broader abuse. I agree and would not advocate for ignoring these sorts of complaints. I think each complaint should be given due consideration. In this particular case, with the information that has been made broadly available, I don't personally see evidence to support any claims that the police did anything wrong.
  - SFJulie 10y ago
    It is fair to say that police in USA is not targeting anyone, and it is also fair to say the majority are not being treated as the powerful. However, the white mentally ill according to the lack of news regarding the figures tends to put mentally ill people in the majority case, a silent case. Hence my point of view : discrimination in discrimination leads to awful results.

jcranmer 10y ago

If you read the tweets, and then the autopsy, you'll wonder which wound was so serious it needed stitches, considering there are only three minor lacerations, and absolutely no mention of stitches anywhere. If he's telling the truth about police brutality, then why did he need to make up needing stitches?