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More dangerous rabble-rousing. The fact is that the police shoot more white people than black: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more

More dangerous rabble-rousing. The fact is that the police shoot more white people than black: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-... The problem seems to be more to do with gun ownership and trigger happy police (perhaps understandable if the person in front of you might be reaching for a gun), rather than racism.

DanBC 10y ago
> Based on that data, Mr. Moskos reported that roughly 49 percent of those killed by officers from May 2013 to April 2015 were white, while 30 percent were black. He also found that 19 percent were Hispanic and 2 percent were Asian and other races. 30% of deaths but only 12% of US population suggests something's up.
- throwaway91001 10y ago
  The police are definitely racist. However, there is a reason beyond racism that police react differently. 40% of officer killings are by black suspects. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/2014/tables/table_47_leos_fk_race_and_sex_of_known_offender_2005-2014.xls https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/2014/tables/tabl...
  - cpncrunch 10y ago
    >The police are definitely racist. And you have evidence about that from....? >However, there is a reason beyond racism that police react differently. 40% of officer killings are by black suspects Unlikely, considering that police are less to kill black suspects than white ones (read that Washington Times article I linked). So it appears that white police are racist against white people. Let's start a "white lives matter" organization!
    - throwaway91001 10y ago
      Just ask black people you know, observe what happens on the street in a black neighborhood. It's different. The amount of leeway and benefit of the doubt you get as a white person is different than as a black person. Some of this is probably due to preexisting racism. Some of it is due to the experience of the officer causing him to form what a bayesian would call a prior, and an activist would call a prejudice. I can tell you that policing an inner city neighborhood exposes you to the worst society has to offer on a daily basis, and it can lead to police forming some ugly opinions. Everyone is entitled to equal treatment by the police, and police should be held to this standard. However police are human beings, and will make judgments based on available data even if they're told not to, especially when they perceive that their life is in danger. BTW, you linked to a Washington Times article. That's a very different newspaper from the Washington Post.
      - cpncrunch 10y ago
        >Just ask black people you know, observe what happens on the street in a black neighborhood Have you asked any white people who live in deprived neighbourhoods, or latinos? I can tell from first-hand experience that a lot of white people hate the police. No racism was involved though. It has more to do with gangs not wanting the police to interrupt their crimes, high crime in general in those areas, real danger to the police putting them on edge, etc. > I can tell you that policing an inner city neighborhood exposes you to the worst society has to offer on a daily basis, and it can lead to police forming some ugly opinions I think this is the key problem. Not racism. Blaming it on racism just causes further problems. I'm sure there is some racism, but it doesn't appear to be the main problem. >BTW, you linked to a Washington Times article. That's a very different newspaper from the Washington Post. Fixed, thanks.
- cpncrunch 10y ago
  If you read on it says "But also adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown in violent crime, the data actually show that police are less likely to kill black suspects than white ones". So the issue appears to be that black people are more likely to be involved in violent crime, perhaps due to poverty, gangs, etc. Accusing the police of being racist not only is not evidence based, but it's likely to inflame the situation. (See for example the recent shitshorm with Toronto Pride).

DanBC 10y ago

> Based on that data, Mr. Moskos reported that roughly 49 percent of those killed by officers from May 2013 to April 2015 were white, while 30 percent were black. He also found that 19 percent were Hispanic and 2 percent were Asian and other races. 30% of deaths but only 12% of US population suggests something's up.

throwaway91001 10y ago
The police are definitely racist. However, there is a reason beyond racism that police react differently. 40% of officer killings are by black suspects. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/2014/tables/table_47_leos_fk_race_and_sex_of_known_offender_2005-2014.xls https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/2014/tables/tabl...
- cpncrunch 10y ago
  >The police are definitely racist. And you have evidence about that from....? >However, there is a reason beyond racism that police react differently. 40% of officer killings are by black suspects Unlikely, considering that police are less to kill black suspects than white ones (read that Washington Times article I linked). So it appears that white police are racist against white people. Let's start a "white lives matter" organization!
  - throwaway91001 10y ago
    Just ask black people you know, observe what happens on the street in a black neighborhood. It's different. The amount of leeway and benefit of the doubt you get as a white person is different than as a black person. Some of this is probably due to preexisting racism. Some of it is due to the experience of the officer causing him to form what a bayesian would call a prior, and an activist would call a prejudice. I can tell you that policing an inner city neighborhood exposes you to the worst society has to offer on a daily basis, and it can lead to police forming some ugly opinions. Everyone is entitled to equal treatment by the police, and police should be held to this standard. However police are human beings, and will make judgments based on available data even if they're told not to, especially when they perceive that their life is in danger. BTW, you linked to a Washington Times article. That's a very different newspaper from the Washington Post.
    - cpncrunch 10y ago
      >Just ask black people you know, observe what happens on the street in a black neighborhood Have you asked any white people who live in deprived neighbourhoods, or latinos? I can tell from first-hand experience that a lot of white people hate the police. No racism was involved though. It has more to do with gangs not wanting the police to interrupt their crimes, high crime in general in those areas, real danger to the police putting them on edge, etc. > I can tell you that policing an inner city neighborhood exposes you to the worst society has to offer on a daily basis, and it can lead to police forming some ugly opinions I think this is the key problem. Not racism. Blaming it on racism just causes further problems. I'm sure there is some racism, but it doesn't appear to be the main problem. >BTW, you linked to a Washington Times article. That's a very different newspaper from the Washington Post. Fixed, thanks.
cpncrunch 10y ago
If you read on it says "But also adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown in violent crime, the data actually show that police are less likely to kill black suspects than white ones". So the issue appears to be that black people are more likely to be involved in violent crime, perhaps due to poverty, gangs, etc. Accusing the police of being racist not only is not evidence based, but it's likely to inflame the situation. (See for example the recent shitshorm with Toronto Pride).