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Parent post is a pretty good example of propaganda that is being disseminated on full volume all over Russia for last 5 years. They got really good at shilling

Parent post is a pretty good example of propaganda that is being disseminated on full volume all over Russia for last 5 years. They got really good at shilling all over the internet with these kind of messages.

Dolores12 10y ago
Do you have any argument? I can say exactly the same about this topic. meduza.io is owned by old angry woman that were kicked from lenta.ru for being too pro-west.
- guard-of-terra 10y ago
  > meduza.io Why on earth do you think that bringing unrelated things in the discussion is a workable discussion strategy? Downvote.
- dsabanin 10y ago
  And we all know what lenta.ru looks like now, after she and others left, it's a pro-Putin propaganda outlet now.
nine_k 10y ago
Democracy in Russia apparently didn't work, as in failed to preserve itself. You can think of democracy as of a good thing or a bad thing, but either way it's not a thing that universally wins, once introduced. We should notice that democracy had failed to preserve itself in the past in many European countries, notably Italy (1920s), Germany (1930s), Greece (1970s), to say nothing of Latin America. Most of the time it was later restored, one way or another.
scottlocklin 10y ago
You should read Casino Moscow. It's an informal history of one reporter's experience in Russia in the 90s. Definitely not biased towards the present regime in Russia; it's written by Zbigniew Brzezinski's nephew: the Brzezinski family is quite anti-Russia due to their Polish nobility heritage. Yet, the book gives a pretty good understanding of why the Russians like Putin and the present system: the 90s were really bad. Like, Mad Max bad, across a huge country of 150 million.
dang 10y ago
Accusing/insinuating that someone else is astroturfing or shilling is not allowed on Hacker News without evidence. Someone's merely holding a different view than you do does not count as evidence. Please don't do this again. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12050135 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12050135 and marked it off-topic.

Dolores12 10y ago

Do you have any argument? I can say exactly the same about this topic. meduza.io is owned by old angry woman that were kicked from lenta.ru for being too pro-west.

guard-of-terra 10y ago
> meduza.io Why on earth do you think that bringing unrelated things in the discussion is a workable discussion strategy? Downvote.
dsabanin 10y ago
And we all know what lenta.ru looks like now, after she and others left, it's a pro-Putin propaganda outlet now.

nine_k 10y ago

Democracy in Russia apparently didn't work, as in failed to preserve itself. You can think of democracy as of a good thing or a bad thing, but either way it's not a thing that universally wins, once introduced. We should notice that democracy had failed to preserve itself in the past in many European countries, notably Italy (1920s), Germany (1930s), Greece (1970s), to say nothing of Latin America. Most of the time it was later restored, one way or another.

scottlocklin 10y ago

You should read Casino Moscow. It's an informal history of one reporter's experience in Russia in the 90s. Definitely not biased towards the present regime in Russia; it's written by Zbigniew Brzezinski's nephew: the Brzezinski family is quite anti-Russia due to their Polish nobility heritage. Yet, the book gives a pretty good understanding of why the Russians like Putin and the present system: the 90s were really bad. Like, Mad Max bad, across a huge country of 150 million.

dang 10y ago

Accusing/insinuating that someone else is astroturfing or shilling is not allowed on Hacker News without evidence. Someone's merely holding a different view than you do does not count as evidence. Please don't do this again. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12050135 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12050135 and marked it off-topic.