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I have to agree on this one. I have lots of respect for Nicolás and his work, but I think this article shows a little bit of arrogance towards users who don't u

by morkro 10y ago

I have to agree on this one. I have lots of respect for Nicolás and his work, but I think this article shows a little bit of arrogance towards users who don't use Chrome as their primary user. On top of that he disabled accessibility on Firefox entirely in favour of design preferences. Many developer might not care, but it's an attitude which needs to stop.

cptskippy 10y ago
It's more than a little arrogance, it's a superiority complex. My jaw dropped when I read the following because it speaks volumes about his mindset. > As such, visitors are mostly privileged web developers using macOS and Google Chrome.
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- JustSomeNobody 10y ago
  Meet the new bullies. Same as the old bullies. There's a lot of this going on in the tech community. Far cry from when <geeks|nerds|smart people> got pushed around... Now they're (we? I hope I'm not like this) the ones doing the pushing.
  - throwanem 10y ago
    > There's a lot of this going on in the tech community. No. There's a lot of this going on in Silicon Valley and among its camp followers.
    - cptskippy 10y ago
      It happens everywhere. I'm based in Atlanta and we're primarily a Windows Desktop shop but our Marketing department is a bunch of Mac carrying hipsters with titles like "Director of User Experience" and "Mobile Experience Designer".
  - digi_owl 10y ago
    Meh. The nerds still get pushed around. Most web devs these days are not nerds in any traditional sense. Web dev has long since left the computer labs and entered the art and media departments. And with it has come the every increasing use of Apple products in web dev circles.
    - wmichelin 10y ago
      I'm not an artist, I came from a Computer Science background, and I still use Apple products. I don't think using Linux as a desktop environment is enjoyable. I don't get the Apple hate.
      - cptskippy 10y ago
        It's highly contextual. Macs gained a lot of popularity with OSX because of it's BSD underpinnings that allowed developers to go mobile and disconnected without having to run Linux Desktops. However Macs have always been popular with designers, artists, and creative nontechnical users because of their simplicity and intuitiveness. A lot of the hate comes from having to deal with the later group, not the former.
        s_kilk 10y ago
        And, crucially, OSX is the only real option for running both unixy programs and high-grade commercial software such as the Adobe Suite on the same machine without dual-booting
        WorldMaker 10y ago
        Define "real". Cygwin has been an option on Windows for a long time. It has its complications and issues, but isn't exactly "fake". Besides that, Windows 10's Bash on Ubuntu on Windows is a very interesting step in this direction. It's going to increasingly be a "real" option. ETA: Also, Virtual Machines and Remote Login are blurry edges of "real" that aren't dual-booting.
- SimeVidas 10y ago
  I don’t get it. Why is this arrogant?
  - cptskippy 10y ago
    He says that by virtue of that fact that his audience is mostly using Chrome and macOS, they are privileged. Therefore anyone who isn't is therefore underprivileged. Additionally he refers to it as macOS which pedantic and yet incorrect unless the majority of his users are running a beta OS.
    - SimeVidas 10y ago
      I think, the author meant that (most) web developers consider themselves privileged, in thinking that all developers should be using MacBook Pros and Chrome, and that there’s no need to test in anything else, when sharing demos and tools between themselves. Using the term macOS is fine. It’s the new name, and we can start using it before the official release of the next version in the fall. I think you are being pedantic here.
- zeveb 10y ago
  > My jaw dropped when I read the following because it speaks volumes about his mindset. > > As such, visitors are mostly privileged web developers using macOS and Google Chrome. Yeah, mine too. I wouldn't think of using macOS & Chrome as a privilege. A cost of doing business, perhaps, but not a privilege. I'm privileged to have a job in which I'm running Linux and Firefox, and I really do count that as a privilege.
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magic_beans 10y ago
The design he's so wedded too isn't exactly stellar either... I don't understand why he didn't just update his design instead of hacking his way to match the design in FF...

by morkro 10y ago

cptskippy 10y ago

It's more than a little arrogance, it's a superiority complex. My jaw dropped when I read the following because it speaks volumes about his mindset. > As such, visitors are mostly privileged web developers using macOS and Google Chrome.

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JustSomeNobody 10y ago
Meet the new bullies. Same as the old bullies. There's a lot of this going on in the tech community. Far cry from when <geeks|nerds|smart people> got pushed around... Now they're (we? I hope I'm not like this) the ones doing the pushing.
- throwanem 10y ago
  > There's a lot of this going on in the tech community. No. There's a lot of this going on in Silicon Valley and among its camp followers.
  - cptskippy 10y ago
    It happens everywhere. I'm based in Atlanta and we're primarily a Windows Desktop shop but our Marketing department is a bunch of Mac carrying hipsters with titles like "Director of User Experience" and "Mobile Experience Designer".
- digi_owl 10y ago
  Meh. The nerds still get pushed around. Most web devs these days are not nerds in any traditional sense. Web dev has long since left the computer labs and entered the art and media departments. And with it has come the every increasing use of Apple products in web dev circles.
  - wmichelin 10y ago
    I'm not an artist, I came from a Computer Science background, and I still use Apple products. I don't think using Linux as a desktop environment is enjoyable. I don't get the Apple hate.
    - cptskippy 10y ago
      It's highly contextual. Macs gained a lot of popularity with OSX because of it's BSD underpinnings that allowed developers to go mobile and disconnected without having to run Linux Desktops. However Macs have always been popular with designers, artists, and creative nontechnical users because of their simplicity and intuitiveness. A lot of the hate comes from having to deal with the later group, not the former.
      - s_kilk 10y ago
        And, crucially, OSX is the only real option for running both unixy programs and high-grade commercial software such as the Adobe Suite on the same machine without dual-booting
        WorldMaker 10y ago
        Define "real". Cygwin has been an option on Windows for a long time. It has its complications and issues, but isn't exactly "fake". Besides that, Windows 10's Bash on Ubuntu on Windows is a very interesting step in this direction. It's going to increasingly be a "real" option. ETA: Also, Virtual Machines and Remote Login are blurry edges of "real" that aren't dual-booting.
SimeVidas 10y ago
I don’t get it. Why is this arrogant?
- cptskippy 10y ago
  He says that by virtue of that fact that his audience is mostly using Chrome and macOS, they are privileged. Therefore anyone who isn't is therefore underprivileged. Additionally he refers to it as macOS which pedantic and yet incorrect unless the majority of his users are running a beta OS.
  - SimeVidas 10y ago
    I think, the author meant that (most) web developers consider themselves privileged, in thinking that all developers should be using MacBook Pros and Chrome, and that there’s no need to test in anything else, when sharing demos and tools between themselves. Using the term macOS is fine. It’s the new name, and we can start using it before the official release of the next version in the fall. I think you are being pedantic here.
zeveb 10y ago
> My jaw dropped when I read the following because it speaks volumes about his mindset. > > As such, visitors are mostly privileged web developers using macOS and Google Chrome. Yeah, mine too. I wouldn't think of using macOS & Chrome as a privilege. A cost of doing business, perhaps, but not a privilege. I'm privileged to have a job in which I'm running Linux and Firefox, and I really do count that as a privilege.

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magic_beans 10y ago

The design he's so wedded too isn't exactly stellar either... I don't understand why he didn't just update his design instead of hacking his way to match the design in FF...