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The ramifications of Brexit look more and more complicated as time goes by. Crazy.

AnonymousPlanet 10y ago
If only anyone had ever warned people. On the bright side, this entire affair has the effect of being quite educational on matters regarding the EU. I wouldn't be surprised if the Wikipedia articles about the EU, EEA, and European Parliament had increasing viewing numbers. I, at least, have been looking things up quite often the last couple of weeks.
Havoc 10y ago
And worse it doesn't look like anyone thought ahead. Its like they didn't expect to win & now there is a desperate scramble to implement an actual plan of some sort
- zo1 10y ago
  Or they didn't expect a "lose", depending on what side of the opinion you're on. Either way, it shouldn't have been on the "pro-leave" campaigners to implement a plan. That's for the government of the UK to do now that it's been "decided" that they should leave.
  - Chris2048 10y ago
    > it shouldn't have been on the "pro-leave" campaigners to implement a plan Problem with this is it raise the bar. Who controls the resources available for plan-making? The same thing happens in research, where certain results can be suffocated through lack of funding. The government that raised the referendum should have prepared for either result. Seems the government figured it wouldn't survive being in power with a brexit result anyway (and might not want to), so why allow a plan to happen - the more the next party struggles the better...
    - Chris2048 10y ago
      I'll add this metaphor: Here's a large boulder that looks like it might/mightn't be about to fall over a cliff. I super-glued your hand to it - the glue's not completely dry yet, but it sure will hurt pulling your hand away (might take off some skin, you could bleed to death!) - better not do it?
  - TillE 10y ago
    Nobody expected the Leave campaign to have a 500 page detailed technical plan. Just a basic outline in terms of what was expected on free movement and the common market would be nice. Nobody seems to be able to agree on this or to make a reasonable proposal that the EU might actually agree to. They can't even say what they want, except perhaps for the absurd fantasy where they get all of the benefits of the EU and none of the obligations.
  - simonh 10y ago
    Exactly right. The Government held the referendum and the government should implement it's result. If Cameron wasn't willing to implement the result, he should have said so beforehand - and I'm a lifelong Conservative voter (except for 1997). Even a Labour government would have been better than this!
    - DavidHm 10y ago
      Problem with that is that if he had said he would resign after a Leave vote, many people would have voted leave just to get rid of him (and if you think this is uncharitable, think of all the people who voted leave as a protest vote against the London elite)
- s_kilk 10y ago
  I suspect this clip (from Sky News on 2016-06-24) will go down in history as emblematic of the whole affair: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNe-yHr7uJc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNe-yHr7uJc
digi_owl 10y ago
Meh, its fearmongering. The biggest issue right now is that Brussels won't clarify anything either way until they get the article 50 declaration from London. Effectively it has turned into a staring contest, with the hope that London will brink first.
- allendoerfer 10y ago
  I have to take Brussels side here. They have gotten their special treatment [0] long enough. We wanted them to stay, they wanted to break up. Now they want to get out and get a new special deal at the same time. If you want to stay, great, stay. If you want to leave, leave. Don't wait for us to offer you a deal. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_rebate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_rebate
  - marcoperaza 10y ago
    Between sovereign states their is no friendship, no fairness. The UK has immense interests in keeping trade free with the continent. They also have immense leverage over Germany and their car industry in particular. It is in everyone's interests to see a deal that maintains free trade between the UK and the continent. Yes, it's not fair that they'll get free access to the single market without following half of the rules, because they're stronger than Switzerland and Norway, because Germany and France need British trade more than the other way around. Britain has zero obligation to be fair, only to use all of their power to protect and advance the interests of their people.
    - ed_blackburn 10y ago
      I sincerely hope you are right. There's a lot of assumptions there. Will Germany sacrifice its principle for car sales? I don't know. Will France and Germany persuade the other EU members to follow them? I don't know. Will this happen quickly? In the meanwhile what happens? There's a lot of uncertainty.
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vixen99 10y ago
It's been described accurately as the 'greatest act of defiance against the establishment since the coming of universal suffrage' so that is not surprising. But crazy?
cloudjacker 10y ago
what did you think "affecting trade" meant?

If only anyone had ever warned people. On the bright side, this entire affair has the effect of being quite educational on matters regarding the EU. I wouldn't be surprised if the Wikipedia articles about the EU, EEA, and European Parliament had increasing viewing numbers. I, at least, have been looking things up quite often the last couple of weeks.

Havoc 10y ago

And worse it doesn't look like anyone thought ahead. Its like they didn't expect to win & now there is a desperate scramble to implement an actual plan of some sort

zo1 10y ago
Or they didn't expect a "lose", depending on what side of the opinion you're on. Either way, it shouldn't have been on the "pro-leave" campaigners to implement a plan. That's for the government of the UK to do now that it's been "decided" that they should leave.
- Chris2048 10y ago
  > it shouldn't have been on the "pro-leave" campaigners to implement a plan Problem with this is it raise the bar. Who controls the resources available for plan-making? The same thing happens in research, where certain results can be suffocated through lack of funding. The government that raised the referendum should have prepared for either result. Seems the government figured it wouldn't survive being in power with a brexit result anyway (and might not want to), so why allow a plan to happen - the more the next party struggles the better...
  - Chris2048 10y ago
    I'll add this metaphor: Here's a large boulder that looks like it might/mightn't be about to fall over a cliff. I super-glued your hand to it - the glue's not completely dry yet, but it sure will hurt pulling your hand away (might take off some skin, you could bleed to death!) - better not do it?
- TillE 10y ago
  Nobody expected the Leave campaign to have a 500 page detailed technical plan. Just a basic outline in terms of what was expected on free movement and the common market would be nice. Nobody seems to be able to agree on this or to make a reasonable proposal that the EU might actually agree to. They can't even say what they want, except perhaps for the absurd fantasy where they get all of the benefits of the EU and none of the obligations.
- simonh 10y ago
  Exactly right. The Government held the referendum and the government should implement it's result. If Cameron wasn't willing to implement the result, he should have said so beforehand - and I'm a lifelong Conservative voter (except for 1997). Even a Labour government would have been better than this!
  - DavidHm 10y ago
    Problem with that is that if he had said he would resign after a Leave vote, many people would have voted leave just to get rid of him (and if you think this is uncharitable, think of all the people who voted leave as a protest vote against the London elite)
s_kilk 10y ago
I suspect this clip (from Sky News on 2016-06-24) will go down in history as emblematic of the whole affair: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNe-yHr7uJc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNe-yHr7uJc

digi_owl 10y ago

Meh, its fearmongering. The biggest issue right now is that Brussels won't clarify anything either way until they get the article 50 declaration from London. Effectively it has turned into a staring contest, with the hope that London will brink first.

allendoerfer 10y ago
I have to take Brussels side here. They have gotten their special treatment [0] long enough. We wanted them to stay, they wanted to break up. Now they want to get out and get a new special deal at the same time. If you want to stay, great, stay. If you want to leave, leave. Don't wait for us to offer you a deal. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_rebate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_rebate
- marcoperaza 10y ago
  Between sovereign states their is no friendship, no fairness. The UK has immense interests in keeping trade free with the continent. They also have immense leverage over Germany and their car industry in particular. It is in everyone's interests to see a deal that maintains free trade between the UK and the continent. Yes, it's not fair that they'll get free access to the single market without following half of the rules, because they're stronger than Switzerland and Norway, because Germany and France need British trade more than the other way around. Britain has zero obligation to be fair, only to use all of their power to protect and advance the interests of their people.
  - ed_blackburn 10y ago
    I sincerely hope you are right. There's a lot of assumptions there. Will Germany sacrifice its principle for car sales? I don't know. Will France and Germany persuade the other EU members to follow them? I don't know. Will this happen quickly? In the meanwhile what happens? There's a lot of uncertainty.
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vixen99 10y ago

It's been described accurately as the 'greatest act of defiance against the establishment since the coming of universal suffrage' so that is not surprising. But crazy?

cloudjacker 10y ago

what did you think "affecting trade" meant?