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The disturbing thing for me is the cop seemed more concerned with keeping his gun out and barking orders than in administering any sort of aid. It seems the God

The disturbing thing for me is the cop seemed more concerned with keeping his gun out and barking orders than in administering any sort of aid. It seems the God complex is strong in this one that he can't even render aid to a dying human being but instead belittles him "I told you not to move" as if that excuses all of this. That lack of compassion is so disturbing. I'm not a cop, I don't know why it is more important to point a gun at a dying man than render aid, but that's just one of the many thoughts this video evoked for me. So sad. I'm sure there's much more to this story to come. Edit: if you are going to down vote please explain why. The cop is literally watching the man die right in front of him.

grandalf 10y ago
I can't believe he'd let the man bleed like that and become unconscious and continue bleeding without trying to administer some sort of first aid.
tomschlick 10y ago
Posting this again as I replied to another user above: The officer isn't an EMT and if he was really shot 4 times in the abdomen then nothing the officer has would stop the bleeding. Not only that but if the guy really did react in a threatening manner the officer is providing cover to make sure the gun doesn't come back out. I'm not advocating one side or the other on this, just letting you know how the protocols work.
- hermannj314 10y ago
  Ok, I guess that's why I got the down vote. Thanks.
  - tomschlick 10y ago
    Yeah idk why others down voted you. It was a legitimate question.
- 0707_hn 10y ago
  I've made these statements elsewhere; I simply want to be thorough in responding to your comments. In Minnesota, there is an obligation to aid individuals who have been harmed and MN officers are trained to do this. Indeed, reports exist of MN officers responding to gun shot wounds (GSWs). Referenced posts: [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=12047969 https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=12047969 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12048024 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12048024
- spraak 10y ago
  I care not why the officer himself didn't administer aid, but why the no aid was called in time.
  - tomschlick 10y ago
    Aid would have been called by the dispatcher when the officer radios in that there was a shooting.
    - spraak 10y ago
      Would have, but it wasn't.
      - tomschlick 10y ago
        Source?
spdustin 10y ago
The officer was indoctrinated to behave this way, to exhibit forceful authority, and is clearly heard to be battling his personal instinct that he fucked this one up, and doesn't have a single clue what to do because his conscience says one thing and his training says another and he is too young to have developed the detachment from self that older officers and soldiers do. I took his "you should've kept your hands up" as a tortured mind desperately trying to save itself from crushing guilt over having snuffed out the life of an innocent man. I'm not condoning or condemning the behavior of the officer. Nor am I trying to garner sympathy for him. The fact is a man was fatally shot, and he didn't have to be, and we do not know who ... really who ... is to blame. It's natural to rush to judgment and a sense of vigilante justice, to reconcile the debt owed to the community and to society at large. But this sort of thing is a symptom of something much bigger than a slogan or a talking point. Honestly, I'm struggling with figuring out what can we, as technologists, do to make this country less panicky and prejudiced, without being dismissed by the people we would seek to help. There is a lot that we don't and can't understand about the way the officer was thinking. Only that he was panicked and relatively young, and perhaps that shines a light on a part of the story we don't talk about enough: who SHOULD be policing the streets? What is done to ensure their psychological health and mental capacity to exhibit calm decisiveness in the face of so many potentially fatal unknowns? Incidentally, that town isn't an area where cops often use their firearms. White-on-black (or, it seems in this case, Asian-on-black) violence from law enforcement isn't endemic to that part of the country. Sorry I'm rambling. I'm really saddened by this story. Nothing about it should've gone down the way it did.

grandalf 10y ago

I can't believe he'd let the man bleed like that and become unconscious and continue bleeding without trying to administer some sort of first aid.

tomschlick 10y ago

Posting this again as I replied to another user above: The officer isn't an EMT and if he was really shot 4 times in the abdomen then nothing the officer has would stop the bleeding. Not only that but if the guy really did react in a threatening manner the officer is providing cover to make sure the gun doesn't come back out. I'm not advocating one side or the other on this, just letting you know how the protocols work.

hermannj314 10y ago
Ok, I guess that's why I got the down vote. Thanks.
- tomschlick 10y ago
  Yeah idk why others down voted you. It was a legitimate question.
0707_hn 10y ago
I've made these statements elsewhere; I simply want to be thorough in responding to your comments. In Minnesota, there is an obligation to aid individuals who have been harmed and MN officers are trained to do this. Indeed, reports exist of MN officers responding to gun shot wounds (GSWs). Referenced posts: [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=12047969 https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=12047969 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12048024 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12048024
spraak 10y ago
I care not why the officer himself didn't administer aid, but why the no aid was called in time.
- tomschlick 10y ago
  Aid would have been called by the dispatcher when the officer radios in that there was a shooting.
  - spraak 10y ago
    Would have, but it wasn't.
    - tomschlick 10y ago
      Source?

spdustin 10y ago

The officer was indoctrinated to behave this way, to exhibit forceful authority, and is clearly heard to be battling his personal instinct that he fucked this one up, and doesn't have a single clue what to do because his conscience says one thing and his training says another and he is too young to have developed the detachment from self that older officers and soldiers do. I took his "you should've kept your hands up" as a tortured mind desperately trying to save itself from crushing guilt over having snuffed out the life of an innocent man. I'm not condoning or condemning the behavior of the officer. Nor am I trying to garner sympathy for him. The fact is a man was fatally shot, and he didn't have to be, and we do not know who ... really who ... is to blame. It's natural to rush to judgment and a sense of vigilante justice, to reconcile the debt owed to the community and to society at large. But this sort of thing is a symptom of something much bigger than a slogan or a talking point. Honestly, I'm struggling with figuring out what can we, as technologists, do to make this country less panicky and prejudiced, without being dismissed by the people we would seek to help. There is a lot that we don't and can't understand about the way the officer was thinking. Only that he was panicked and relatively young, and perhaps that shines a light on a part of the story we don't talk about enough: who SHOULD be policing the streets? What is done to ensure their psychological health and mental capacity to exhibit calm decisiveness in the face of so many potentially fatal unknowns? Incidentally, that town isn't an area where cops often use their firearms. White-on-black (or, it seems in this case, Asian-on-black) violence from law enforcement isn't endemic to that part of the country. Sorry I'm rambling. I'm really saddened by this story. Nothing about it should've gone down the way it did.