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> "And you know something? \"So what\"? So what if women get this one in their favour? Who really gives a fuck? " Maybe the rest of the family of kids who wome

> "And you know something? \"So what\"? So what if women get this one in their favour? Who really gives a fuck? " Maybe the rest of the family of kids who women bludgeoned to death, burnt alive, cut into pieces, stuffed down drains etc (all recent cases here). Maybe also the guys who've been stabbed a few too many times, hit in the back of the head with frying pans, etc. p.s. Hospital record audits show extremely similar injuries for both genders from DV in Australia, with the exception that men present with more lacerations (because women use weapons more) and women present with slightly more bruising (because men rarely present unless life threatening). The only likely exception to that is Aboriginal communities, with somewhat different traditional gender roles (women at significantly higher risk) than the wider population and more commonly impacted by poverty, drugs & alcohol etc.

vacri 10y ago
> You are making the mistake of assuming that DV is only represented by homicide counts. I'm just going to quote myself here. You're both arguing from outliers and arguing from emotion. Hell, fuck it. You win. The anti-DV campaign should stop because it's not completely even-handed. Fuck those infants beaten to death because their dads can't hear the footy. We should close down all the battered women's shelters as well. Those beaten humans with broken bones in their face are clearly benefitting at the expense of us males. Never mind that we can use success with anti-DV for women as a springboard for anti-DV for men, getting it into the public dialogue. After all, if we can't help everyone, then we shouldn't help anyone. Absolutely no step of the way shouldn't ever be even-handed. That would be unfair.
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- dlmetcalf 10y ago
  And NO you can't use it as a springboard by socially engineering misandry and prejudice. You only springboard MORE violence by (1) complerely ignoring that women are starting the vast majority of it (2) telling those women to keep going because it's only DV when a man retaliates and too late.
- dlmetcalf 10y ago
  Was that you who flagged me for quoting your expletives? Or are you flagging me for quoting AIC 2015 data on 10 years on NHMP and case notes?
- dlmetcalf 10y ago
  > Fuck those infants beaten to death because their dads can't hear the footy. I'd appreciate if you dial back the language. Your extreme prejudice shows, because reality is that 52‰ of kids killed in DV are killed BY women. Burnt alive, cut into pieces, stuffed down drains, bludgeoned, ALL recent cases by women - while you try to paint them as "sugar, spice and all things nice" fairytales and prejudice against fathers. Your push to prosecute against males, while turning a blind eye to female violence has a name - misandry. You're the one who's saying, quote, "Fuck those infants beaten to death". You're saying "fuck those" 52%, their lives don't matter - because it was only a female killing THEM.
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- dlmetcalf 10y ago
  > After all, if we can't help everyone, then we shouldn't help anyone. Tell me again why we can't help without discrimination? It's not that we can't try to stop all DV. It's simply that you choose to explicitly be sexist.
- dlmetcalf 10y ago
  p.s. As someone who's actually experienced a triple compound facial fracture, cheek bone entirely smashed off, exploded sinuses, facial palsy, etc. from a violent unprovoked cowardly assault from behind (and spent 3 weeks coughing up blood) - I think I'm in a better position to understand what that means than most. Not to mention having stood at the pointy-end of a large kitchen knife wielded by a borderline disordered manic woman (and that's not even slightly the worst of it). I don't hate women - because I know the majority of women aren't like that (just like the majority of males are violent either). In fact, I've never even had ONE single genuine argument with my current partner of 3 years and I certainly never had any seriously heated one with any ex either, apart from that one. In case you think I was raised as some radical women hating MRA; my father nominated the first female District Governor of Rotary International in Australia. My auntie was the first foreign female academic to teach in China in post-Communist China. My grandmother was one of the very first women in her city with a drivers license. AND my cousin actually WORKS for AusAid on women's right development programs in Pacific nations (Fiji was her last posting, but no full time PNG secondment AFAIK). I have three sisters and never laid a finger on any of them (although took a kicking or two). I still don't support gender discrimination - nor do I agree it's even remotely effective at helping reduce violence against women (or children) or minimising harm and breaking cycles of violence. Even-handed means reasonable, evidence-based, justified proportionality (plus NOT only including evidence from organisations with stated explicitly gender discriminatory charters and purpose - which Australian policy generally does). The evidence basis proves that ignoring female violence is NOT helping reduce violence against females and in fact, the gender-based approach (particularly a disproportionate one is counterproductive). Anyway, you're clearly locked in your ideological position, so there's probably little point continuing discussion.
- dlmetcalf 10y ago
  > '52% is an outlier' [single quotes added, because paraphrased, not quote] Okaay.
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vacri 10y ago

> You are making the mistake of assuming that DV is only represented by homicide counts. I'm just going to quote myself here. You're both arguing from outliers and arguing from emotion. Hell, fuck it. You win. The anti-DV campaign should stop because it's not completely even-handed. Fuck those infants beaten to death because their dads can't hear the footy. We should close down all the battered women's shelters as well. Those beaten humans with broken bones in their face are clearly benefitting at the expense of us males. Never mind that we can use success with anti-DV for women as a springboard for anti-DV for men, getting it into the public dialogue. After all, if we can't help everyone, then we shouldn't help anyone. Absolutely no step of the way shouldn't ever be even-handed. That would be unfair.

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dlmetcalf 10y ago
And NO you can't use it as a springboard by socially engineering misandry and prejudice. You only springboard MORE violence by (1) complerely ignoring that women are starting the vast majority of it (2) telling those women to keep going because it's only DV when a man retaliates and too late.
dlmetcalf 10y ago
Was that you who flagged me for quoting your expletives? Or are you flagging me for quoting AIC 2015 data on 10 years on NHMP and case notes?
dlmetcalf 10y ago
> Fuck those infants beaten to death because their dads can't hear the footy. I'd appreciate if you dial back the language. Your extreme prejudice shows, because reality is that 52‰ of kids killed in DV are killed BY women. Burnt alive, cut into pieces, stuffed down drains, bludgeoned, ALL recent cases by women - while you try to paint them as "sugar, spice and all things nice" fairytales and prejudice against fathers. Your push to prosecute against males, while turning a blind eye to female violence has a name - misandry. You're the one who's saying, quote, "Fuck those infants beaten to death". You're saying "fuck those" 52%, their lives don't matter - because it was only a female killing THEM.
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dlmetcalf 10y ago
> After all, if we can't help everyone, then we shouldn't help anyone. Tell me again why we can't help without discrimination? It's not that we can't try to stop all DV. It's simply that you choose to explicitly be sexist.
dlmetcalf 10y ago
p.s. As someone who's actually experienced a triple compound facial fracture, cheek bone entirely smashed off, exploded sinuses, facial palsy, etc. from a violent unprovoked cowardly assault from behind (and spent 3 weeks coughing up blood) - I think I'm in a better position to understand what that means than most. Not to mention having stood at the pointy-end of a large kitchen knife wielded by a borderline disordered manic woman (and that's not even slightly the worst of it). I don't hate women - because I know the majority of women aren't like that (just like the majority of males are violent either). In fact, I've never even had ONE single genuine argument with my current partner of 3 years and I certainly never had any seriously heated one with any ex either, apart from that one. In case you think I was raised as some radical women hating MRA; my father nominated the first female District Governor of Rotary International in Australia. My auntie was the first foreign female academic to teach in China in post-Communist China. My grandmother was one of the very first women in her city with a drivers license. AND my cousin actually WORKS for AusAid on women's right development programs in Pacific nations (Fiji was her last posting, but no full time PNG secondment AFAIK). I have three sisters and never laid a finger on any of them (although took a kicking or two). I still don't support gender discrimination - nor do I agree it's even remotely effective at helping reduce violence against women (or children) or minimising harm and breaking cycles of violence. Even-handed means reasonable, evidence-based, justified proportionality (plus NOT only including evidence from organisations with stated explicitly gender discriminatory charters and purpose - which Australian policy generally does). The evidence basis proves that ignoring female violence is NOT helping reduce violence against females and in fact, the gender-based approach (particularly a disproportionate one is counterproductive). Anyway, you're clearly locked in your ideological position, so there's probably little point continuing discussion.
dlmetcalf 10y ago
> '52% is an outlier' [single quotes added, because paraphrased, not quote] Okaay.

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