The fundamentals hasn't changed. Everything else being equal the increased convenience of self-driving cars and the low running costs of electric cars will put

The fundamentals hasn't changed. Everything else being equal the increased convenience of self-driving cars and the low running costs of electric cars will put a lot more cars on the road that will take longer journeys. There's no escaping the need for public transport, especially if SF wants to grow denser. I do have to mirror the parent posters sentiment, people really need to start paying attention to fundamentals. In an optimal efficient future (which of course won't happen) there would essentially be no car ownership. A car is a huge compromise (which is why people like them) that can't go particularly fast (because of drag at speed and kinetic energy in a crash), is over-engineered at lower speeds and have low bandwidth (especially in urban environments). Of course having cheap fully autonomous cars (without steering, that can go anywhere) is still more likely decades than years away.