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Bay Area 2050: The BART Metro Map
- mc32 10y agoMy dream: Bart along Van Ness, Geary corridors, replace Caltrain down to Gilroy, another spur down the el camino from Millbrae to SJ. A mass transit bridge to Marin (oh, I know, it'll kill the views of the GGB. But tunnels at the GG seems impractical, given geography) and extend integrated public transit to Marin and beyond.
- ac29 10y agoDidn't see author discuss the South Bay Ferry Pier they put on the map (looks to be near the Google HQ in Mountain View). Has that been proposed? Seems like with the speed of ferries, this would be a very long ride to SF and wouldn't be practical except for a very small number of people vs just taking Caltrain (which, as mentioned, is allegedly getting electrified soon-ish, with faster service).
- xiphias 10y agoIt's sad that for most of the world cheap enough electric self driving cars will come faster than good public transport
- kbenson 10y agoI'm not sure why you think cheap enough electric self driving cars can't be public transport.
- melling 10y agoThis question was answered decades ago http://www.treehugger.com/cars/amount-of-space-required-to-transport-people-by-car-bus-or-bicycle.html http://www.treehugger.com/cars/amount-of-space-required-to-t... It's painful that it needs to be explained.
- cgriswald 10y agoI'm sorry for your pain. You seem to think that bicycles and/or busses in an urban setting under ideal weather conditions are the answer to all transportation questions. Unfortunately in the real world bicycles fail to protect against inclement weather (and are nearly unusable in winter time in some climates); can leave their passengers sweaty, wet, or dirty; have limited cargo capacity; and are not as useful for those with long commutes. So while they are a great solution for some situations, they are not ideal for others. Busses have great bandwidth and do not have to be parked or stored by passengers, but are not efficient fuel and space unless they have enough passengers. Busses (and trains) often run empty or nearly so. They are less convenient than bicycles and cars in terms of pickup and drop off locations. Autonomous electric cars could be made of various sizes (including as small as a bicycle) for various cargo and passenger loads, could pick up and drop off passengers anywhere, would not necessarily have to be parked (or would have to be parked for shorter periods than private cars), would protect against inclement weather, and might be safer for passenger and pedestrian alike than individual cyclists or bus drivers.
- titzer 10y agoThe Bay area has one of the most ideal climates for bicycle commutes in the world. Denmark, on the other hand, which can have a rather suboptimal climate for cycling, has incredibly high bicycle commute rates: http://denmark.dk/en/green-living/bicycle-culture/copenhageners-love-their-bikes http://denmark.dk/en/green-living/bicycle-culture/copenhagen... The answer is that it's partly cultural, and partly incentives. But you can go ahead and keep enforcing the cultural bias against bikes if you prefer.
- fennecfoxen 10y agoSo in other words, someone in the Bay Area is jealous of New York's Second Avenue Subway and decided it's time to compete?
- allenguo 10y agoThis is really cool! How long did this project take? And how would one get started with mapmaking?
- PhantomGremlin 10y agoThis is so wonderful compared to the multi multi billion dollar boondoggle "high speed rail" that California is spending money on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail We discussed that just a week ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11996355 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11996355 Cancel HSR and use the money toward funding transit that people would actually use!
- dragonwriter 10y agoHSR includes funding for regional and local transit in California's major metros, as well as the long distance high-speed lines connecting them.
- stuaxo 10y agoIdeally you have both, like in Taiwan - you can travel from the almost the length of the country into Taipei on HSR and then get onto the metro system to go on to your destination.
- erikb 10y agoFinally someone is working on this! First world cities without useful public transport are a joke (objective statement).
- tbrock 10y ago2050?! I'll be dead by then, let's get this show on the road.
- uola 10y agoI think if you want to see the show you have to get on the road i.e. the future is happening in places like China.