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Yes, here are four reasons that only took a minute of contemplation: (1) Because not all masters are benevolent (2) Because it removes the possibility of char

Yes, here are four reasons that only took a minute of contemplation: (1) Because not all masters are benevolent (2) Because it removes the possibility of charge backs (3) Because not everyone enjoys being monitored by companies and/or governments (foreign or otherwise) (4) Underground markets are only "underground" because of laws. If a society outlaws birth control and abortions, but a women wants an abortion she probably wants an alternative (I.e. something an underground market with provide). An anonymous crypocurrancy (or cash) is the easiest way to do this. If it's not a crypocurrancy or cash, they can always trade goods. So in all honesty, there's no way to stop it. There may even be other reasons, but it seems pretty obvious it can inherently good to have.

retube 10y ago
> Because not everyone enjoys being monitored by companies and/or governments (foreign or otherwise) So the solution to that is publishing all your transactions to a public ledger? (yes I know there are "tumblers" etc, but these come with operational and practical issues)
- davidfrankl 10y ago
  That's beside the point. The parent was simply asking what use exists for an anonymous currency.
- woodman 10y ago
  Keep in mind the amount of monetization that occurs around purchase data in the present system. The ease with which you can associate transactions to real identities isn't even comparable.
  - threeseed 10y ago
    What monetisation ? The bank isn't authorised to provide that information to third parties.
    - woodman 10y ago
      Are you confusing the spirit of the law with the letter of the law? Or do you really think that banks aren't selling your transaction data? http://www.cardlytics.com/technology/ http://www.cardlytics.com/technology/ Despite the "firewall" between the bank and the marketers, information is being sold - it just requires an extra step on the part of the marketers (leaving the banks legally in the clear).
threeseed 10y ago
So basically there is only mainstream benefit: removing chargebacks. The rest are just ideological and/or about facilitating illegal activity and irrelevant to most people. This is the problem with Bitcoin and other digital currencies. There is just not enough focus on making something better and simpler than the existing system.
- random28345 10y ago
  > So basically there is only mainstream benefit: removing chargebacks. You mean mainstream disadvantage. I think most people using VISA are happy that they won't lose all their assets to fraud or theft of their credit card. Mainstream retailers accept a certain amount of fraud as a cost of doing business, only disruptive or greymarket vendors face significant risk from chargebacks. Removing chargebacks is a positive benefit to a tiny fraction of the participants in legitimate financial services.

retube 10y ago

> Because not everyone enjoys being monitored by companies and/or governments (foreign or otherwise) So the solution to that is publishing all your transactions to a public ledger? (yes I know there are "tumblers" etc, but these come with operational and practical issues)

davidfrankl 10y ago
That's beside the point. The parent was simply asking what use exists for an anonymous currency.
woodman 10y ago
Keep in mind the amount of monetization that occurs around purchase data in the present system. The ease with which you can associate transactions to real identities isn't even comparable.
- threeseed 10y ago
  What monetisation ? The bank isn't authorised to provide that information to third parties.
  - woodman 10y ago
    Are you confusing the spirit of the law with the letter of the law? Or do you really think that banks aren't selling your transaction data? http://www.cardlytics.com/technology/ http://www.cardlytics.com/technology/ Despite the "firewall" between the bank and the marketers, information is being sold - it just requires an extra step on the part of the marketers (leaving the banks legally in the clear).

threeseed 10y ago

So basically there is only mainstream benefit: removing chargebacks. The rest are just ideological and/or about facilitating illegal activity and irrelevant to most people. This is the problem with Bitcoin and other digital currencies. There is just not enough focus on making something better and simpler than the existing system.

random28345 10y ago
> So basically there is only mainstream benefit: removing chargebacks. You mean mainstream disadvantage. I think most people using VISA are happy that they won't lose all their assets to fraud or theft of their credit card. Mainstream retailers accept a certain amount of fraud as a cost of doing business, only disruptive or greymarket vendors face significant risk from chargebacks. Removing chargebacks is a positive benefit to a tiny fraction of the participants in legitimate financial services.