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For summary - X is just as insecure as windows/macos - we know it: wayland, mir and snappy is coming. For your disclosure - don't be too lofty with me - I'm tr

by _wdzx 10y ago

For summary - X is just as insecure as windows/macos - we know it: wayland, mir and snappy is coming. For your disclosure - don't be too lofty with me - I'm trying to understand your problems because I've a very different experience.

roblabla 10y ago
It's not a security problem really. That's just a side issue. The problem is, today, if I want to watch a movie, play a game, do anything that requires using some slightly advanced GPU stuff, I'll get tearing, artifacts, or downright crashes. This is mostly because X11 sucks. (It's also partly because the proprietary nvidia drivers sucks). Nowadays I reboot on windows to watch netflix or play games (even linux-compatible ones) because the experience is just much better. Linux has been constrained to work stuff. Now wayland is coming (apparently. NVidia is still trying to pull some shit[0]) and should fix all that. That's great ! I tested wayland a few months ago though, and my GPU's proprietary drivers weren't supported. So still no games, still no movies. :(. 0: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-Wayland-Discussion http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-Wa...
- idobai 10y ago
  > The problem is, today, if I want to watch a movie, play a game, do anything that requires using some slightly advanced GPU stuff, I'll get tearing, artifacts, or downright crashes. So you can't watch a movie on linux? You're either lying or you've done some crazy stuff on it. I'm on linux for 4 years and I play/watch movies/program ONLY on it. According to this thread linux is like the most useless thrash one can met in any time. Unbelievable.
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- fao_ 10y ago
  I think this honestly comes down to driver support rather than the Xorg stack. I dual boot with Windows 8.1 (Which is the OS supported by my manufacturer) and Arch Linux, and Arch is consistently more stable and faster for viewing videos and playing games than W8.1. For example, I tried watching TNG from my external drive the other day (Using the latest VLC for both). On Linux this isn't a problem, the quality is good and there's no stuttering. On Windows it was hellish: The quality was extremely poor and it froze every (literal) 10 seconds to grab more data from the disk.
  - cocotino 10y ago
    VLC is just a shadow of what it used to be. On Windows I recommend you to try something else like MPC-HC
    - suby 10y ago
      How is VLC a shadow of what it used to be? I'm not trying to be argumentative, genuinely curious.
- vetinari 10y ago
  I've been using a Linux machine (Ubuntu+X11+nvidia+Kodi) as my HTPC for years. What's so sucky about it that I didn't notice during that time? No tearing, no artifacts, no crashes.
  - roblabla 10y ago
    If you're using the nouveau drivers, everything's fine, but you don't get hardware acceleration. That means no games, but mostly tearing-free rendering, and no artifacts. The nvidia proprietary drivers is probably what's causing problems.
    - vetinari 10y ago
      I'm using the proprietary drivers, 340.96-0ubuntu0.14.04.1 to be exact. The machine is 2009 vintage Atom 330 with Nvidia ION graphics, so I need VDPAU support for Full HD video decoding.
    - krakensden 10y ago
      Nouveau has had hardware acceleration for years, although it has been desktop focused, not game focused.
- xorcist 10y ago
  Wayland is not going to make your Nvidia drivers more stable.
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digi_owl 10y ago
I have the suspicion that by the time Wayland is done, it is as much a mess as X is right now. Meaning that we would be better of just finding a way to treat every program as a root window (effectively killing the information leakage that exist right now).

by _wdzx 10y ago

roblabla 10y ago

It's not a security problem really. That's just a side issue. The problem is, today, if I want to watch a movie, play a game, do anything that requires using some slightly advanced GPU stuff, I'll get tearing, artifacts, or downright crashes. This is mostly because X11 sucks. (It's also partly because the proprietary nvidia drivers sucks). Nowadays I reboot on windows to watch netflix or play games (even linux-compatible ones) because the experience is just much better. Linux has been constrained to work stuff. Now wayland is coming (apparently. NVidia is still trying to pull some shit[0]) and should fix all that. That's great ! I tested wayland a few months ago though, and my GPU's proprietary drivers weren't supported. So still no games, still no movies. :(. 0: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-Wayland-Discussion http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-Wa...

idobai 10y ago
> The problem is, today, if I want to watch a movie, play a game, do anything that requires using some slightly advanced GPU stuff, I'll get tearing, artifacts, or downright crashes. So you can't watch a movie on linux? You're either lying or you've done some crazy stuff on it. I'm on linux for 4 years and I play/watch movies/program ONLY on it. According to this thread linux is like the most useless thrash one can met in any time. Unbelievable.
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fao_ 10y ago
I think this honestly comes down to driver support rather than the Xorg stack. I dual boot with Windows 8.1 (Which is the OS supported by my manufacturer) and Arch Linux, and Arch is consistently more stable and faster for viewing videos and playing games than W8.1. For example, I tried watching TNG from my external drive the other day (Using the latest VLC for both). On Linux this isn't a problem, the quality is good and there's no stuttering. On Windows it was hellish: The quality was extremely poor and it froze every (literal) 10 seconds to grab more data from the disk.
- cocotino 10y ago
  VLC is just a shadow of what it used to be. On Windows I recommend you to try something else like MPC-HC
  - suby 10y ago
    How is VLC a shadow of what it used to be? I'm not trying to be argumentative, genuinely curious.
vetinari 10y ago
I've been using a Linux machine (Ubuntu+X11+nvidia+Kodi) as my HTPC for years. What's so sucky about it that I didn't notice during that time? No tearing, no artifacts, no crashes.
- roblabla 10y ago
  If you're using the nouveau drivers, everything's fine, but you don't get hardware acceleration. That means no games, but mostly tearing-free rendering, and no artifacts. The nvidia proprietary drivers is probably what's causing problems.
  - vetinari 10y ago
    I'm using the proprietary drivers, 340.96-0ubuntu0.14.04.1 to be exact. The machine is 2009 vintage Atom 330 with Nvidia ION graphics, so I need VDPAU support for Full HD video decoding.
  - krakensden 10y ago
    Nouveau has had hardware acceleration for years, although it has been desktop focused, not game focused.
xorcist 10y ago
Wayland is not going to make your Nvidia drivers more stable.

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digi_owl 10y ago

I have the suspicion that by the time Wayland is done, it is as much a mess as X is right now. Meaning that we would be better of just finding a way to treat every program as a root window (effectively killing the information leakage that exist right now).