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Yes, very. Brexit was a decision about a policy, Trump is a decision about a man. The key personalities of Brexit are now all gone. What remains is the policy.

m-i-l 10y ago
Brexit should have been a decision about policy, but appears not to have been - that is one of the points of the article. The EU appears to have been too complex a subject for many voters to fully understand, and there was allegedly widespread distrust of the "experts", leading to large numbers basing their decision on emotional responses instead, such as "I don't trust the experts so I'm going to do the opposite of what they recommend" and "I like this bloke who talks about listening to the 'little people' and 'taking back control'". I know there are some people who voted Leave for well-thought-out reasons, and that I can respect, because it is rational. But most analysis suggests the majority who voted Leave did not do so for rational reasons. In which case it is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. And it is not as though this was a local or a general election - this has made England and Wales look very bad on the world stage, and is something we're all going to have to live with for a very long time.
SideburnsOfDoom 10y ago
Hm, Brexit seems to me a decision taken for emotive reasons promoted by some larger-than-life personalities. Yes, they're all gone, which is very strange indeed - most victories have no shortage of fathers. (1) Instead they're all running for cover. So no, very. 1) http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnfkenn110295.html http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnfkenn110295.h...
- sievebrain 10y ago
  I can assure you the vast majority of UK voters didn't give a crap about the personalities involved, nor were the decisions taken for "emotive reasons" (sure are lots of people in denial trying to claim that though).
  - SideburnsOfDoom 10y ago
    It's a funny sort on non-emotive decision that causes a massive rise in racist violence.
    - sievebrain 10y ago
      "Massive"? You mean a handful of cases?
      - SideburnsOfDoom 10y ago
        > you mean a handful of cases Not as such, no http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brexit-hate-crime-racism-stats-spike-police-england-wales-eu-referendum-a7126706.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brexit-hate-crime... https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/11/police-blame-worst-rise-in-recorded-hate-on-eu-referendum https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/11/police-blame... http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/08/brexit-racism-more-than-3000-hate-crimes-reported-in-just-two-weeks-5994553/ http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/08/brexit-racism-more-than-3000-h...

m-i-l 10y ago

Brexit should have been a decision about policy, but appears not to have been - that is one of the points of the article. The EU appears to have been too complex a subject for many voters to fully understand, and there was allegedly widespread distrust of the "experts", leading to large numbers basing their decision on emotional responses instead, such as "I don't trust the experts so I'm going to do the opposite of what they recommend" and "I like this bloke who talks about listening to the 'little people' and 'taking back control'". I know there are some people who voted Leave for well-thought-out reasons, and that I can respect, because it is rational. But most analysis suggests the majority who voted Leave did not do so for rational reasons. In which case it is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. And it is not as though this was a local or a general election - this has made England and Wales look very bad on the world stage, and is something we're all going to have to live with for a very long time.

SideburnsOfDoom 10y ago

Hm, Brexit seems to me a decision taken for emotive reasons promoted by some larger-than-life personalities. Yes, they're all gone, which is very strange indeed - most victories have no shortage of fathers. (1) Instead they're all running for cover. So no, very. 1) http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnfkenn110295.html http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnfkenn110295.h...

sievebrain 10y ago
I can assure you the vast majority of UK voters didn't give a crap about the personalities involved, nor were the decisions taken for "emotive reasons" (sure are lots of people in denial trying to claim that though).
- SideburnsOfDoom 10y ago
  It's a funny sort on non-emotive decision that causes a massive rise in racist violence.
  - sievebrain 10y ago
    "Massive"? You mean a handful of cases?
    - SideburnsOfDoom 10y ago
      > you mean a handful of cases Not as such, no http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brexit-hate-crime-racism-stats-spike-police-england-wales-eu-referendum-a7126706.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brexit-hate-crime... https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/11/police-blame-worst-rise-in-recorded-hate-on-eu-referendum https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/11/police-blame... http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/08/brexit-racism-more-than-3000-hate-crimes-reported-in-just-two-weeks-5994553/ http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/08/brexit-racism-more-than-3000-h...