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I'm not a fan of the Tesla brand/vehicles and I have a number of criticisms for the Model S but I wouldn't go so far as to call it 'crappy.' I think more appro

by iaw 10y ago

I'm not a fan of the Tesla brand/vehicles and I have a number of criticisms for the Model S but I wouldn't go so far as to call it 'crappy.' I think more appropriate phrases would be "not fully refined" and "unpolished." The cars work, and work well. The important systems are handled properly, if they weren't I'd be complaining about them. Quality control is a hard thing to get right at scale, I think the company deserves a little respect for handling the critical systems well.

jonknee 10y ago
> I'm not a fan of the Tesla brand/vehicles and I have a number of criticisms for the Model S but I wouldn't go so far as to call it 'crappy.' I think more appropriate phrases would be "not fully refined" and "unpolished." It's "crappy" for a higher end luxury vehicle, not for a car in general. A $70-90k car should be fully refined and quite polished.
- jakobegger 10y ago
  A lot of those 90k goes towards the battery. That leaves a lot less for perfectly stitched leather upholstery.
  - jonknee 10y ago
    If the batteries are so expensive they can't have a proper interior it is odd that Tesla ships some models with extra battery capacity for future purchase options: http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/5/11597508/tesla-model-s-70-battery-upgrade-pay-unlock-battery http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/5/11597508/tesla-model-s-70-b... I think the interior is shit because it's hard to do at scale and Tesla hasn't been doing it for very long.
1024core 10y ago
> I think more appropriate phrases would be "not fully refined" and "unpolished." When companies like Toyota, which have been in the car manufacturing game for 80 years, still suffer from recalls ( 11 recalls in 2016 alone! http://toyotanews.pressroom.toyota.com/section_display.cfm?section_id=639 http://toyotanews.pressroom.toyota.com/section_display.cfm?s... ), why do we have a stratospheric bar for Tesla?
serge2k 10y ago
>"not fully refined" and "unpolished." When you are talking about 100k luxury sedans isn't that exactly what you are paying for? I expect those things out of my car that costs ~40k.

by iaw 10y ago

jonknee 10y ago

> I'm not a fan of the Tesla brand/vehicles and I have a number of criticisms for the Model S but I wouldn't go so far as to call it 'crappy.' I think more appropriate phrases would be "not fully refined" and "unpolished." It's "crappy" for a higher end luxury vehicle, not for a car in general. A $70-90k car should be fully refined and quite polished.

jakobegger 10y ago
A lot of those 90k goes towards the battery. That leaves a lot less for perfectly stitched leather upholstery.
- jonknee 10y ago
  If the batteries are so expensive they can't have a proper interior it is odd that Tesla ships some models with extra battery capacity for future purchase options: http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/5/11597508/tesla-model-s-70-battery-upgrade-pay-unlock-battery http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/5/11597508/tesla-model-s-70-b... I think the interior is shit because it's hard to do at scale and Tesla hasn't been doing it for very long.

1024core 10y ago

> I think more appropriate phrases would be "not fully refined" and "unpolished." When companies like Toyota, which have been in the car manufacturing game for 80 years, still suffer from recalls ( 11 recalls in 2016 alone! http://toyotanews.pressroom.toyota.com/section_display.cfm?section_id=639 http://toyotanews.pressroom.toyota.com/section_display.cfm?s... ), why do we have a stratospheric bar for Tesla?

serge2k 10y ago

>"not fully refined" and "unpolished." When you are talking about 100k luxury sedans isn't that exactly what you are paying for? I expect those things out of my car that costs ~40k.