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> There's no doubt AAVE sounds, to users of SWE, like a "dumbed down" version of the language. So we are in agreement. > But as the essay points out repeatedl
by pluma 10y ago
> There's no doubt AAVE sounds, to users of SWE, like a "dumbed down" version of the language.
So we are in agreement.
> But as the essay points out repeatedly, the irony is that it's the SWE-users who are demonstrating ignorance.
Because they don't speak AAVE and thus parse it as GA/RP/whatever. Yes.
> AAVE is just close enough to SWE to trigger the cognitive biases that trick people into making judgements they aren't qualified to make.
In other words: non-AAVE speakers look at AAVE and see broken GA/RP/whatever. So we are in agreement.
EDIT: I'm beginning to sound like a broken record, but: I'm not saying AAVE is dumbed down GA/RP; I'm not saying AAVE is unsophisticated; I'm just saying that how non-AAVE GA/RP speakers perceive AAVE is a result of their inability to speak AAVE (mixed in with the racial problems in the US because AAVE usage signals race) and that the gut reaction "semi-intelligible = stupid" is not unique to English or a race thing.
EDIT2: Also, for the umpteenth time: I'm not disagreeing with the article. I didn't comment on the article. I commented on someone (flagged) who disagreed with the article and actually argued that treating AAVE as a "real language" would result in bad consequences. Apparently my comment was deemed interesting enough to be detached, which is why you think I'm responding to the article itself.
- tptacek 10y agoI'm re-reading your comment and feel like I must have mis-read it. Either way: we don't appear to have anything to disagree about. Sorry about that!