The reason I pointed out the "fascist EU" bit is because I only recently found out the reason I kept running into Leavers who think the EU is uniquely controlle

The reason I pointed out the "fascist EU" bit is because I only recently found out the reason I kept running into Leavers who think the EU is uniquely controlled by Germany: a quote from a prominent pro-Brexit politician (I forgot who it was but I want to say Boris Johnson). > The right-wing parties on the continent are far scarier, and generally have higher support. Don't conflate nationalism with right-wing. The BNP already was a thing. UKIP is just less ostensibly racist. A similar thing happened in Germany actually: the NPD is blatantly racist (though always just constitutional enough to avoid being banned) and the AfD is almost a carbon copy of UKIP (just with more anti-muslim rhetoric as it seems). > You are reading different papers to me. Probably. I'm not even in the UK. However Cameron's speech after the referendum sounded pretty much like "okay, we're leaving but I'm not the PM to do that" and pretty much everything else I saw on BBC World within the days following the referendum sounded like the Brexit has been decided -- plus the various statements by "the remaining 27" EU members certainly are phrased in ways that no longer count the UK as an EU member. > No, that's exactly what Cameron said would happen - that we'd have to trigger Article 50 the next day. I guess I should have avoided saying "the UK" because politics are too complex to put everything in terms like that. The Leave campaign certainly seems dumbstruck they won't get to negotiate prior to triggering Article 50, however. And there are an awful lot of people who seem to think the UK isn't already leaving or that there's still a way -- though I guess that's mostly wishful thinking (or the "bargaining" step on the grief progression).