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> multiculturalism Typically, this means the various campaigns that push political correctness related to race and culture. While the intentions might be virtu
by marknutter 10y ago
> multiculturalism
Typically, this means the various campaigns that push political correctness related to race and culture. While the intentions might be virtuous, what usually ends up happening is people on the right become skeptical about "newspeak" and people on the left accuse the right of being "racist" (a small minority actually are). The divide gets wider. I hope that you're not being deliberately obtuse to try to prove your point. Use your imagination and try to think if there's anything about the push for multiculturalism and how it's being done that could be problematic.
> unrestrained immigration
Germany has unrestrained immigration. They've taken in something like 600k Syrian refugees while Turkey has taken in over 2M. Here in the US we have an unprotected border that illegal immigrants cross in order to live and work here and the left is trying to push policies that would slowly give them amnesty. Your interpretation of "unrestrained immigration" seems to be deliberately avoiding the hot-button topics.
> Islam
I very much doubt that the GP is talking about "ending Islam", but it sure makes it easier to argue against their post to interpret it that way, doesn't it? If people on the left can't understand the desire to have a bit more skepticism about Islam in light of the recent raft of ISIS and ISIS inspired terrorist attacks then I'm not sure civil discussion about the issue can actually be had. It's unfortunate, because I definitely sympathize with the position that says we should be tolerant of other cultures. But if that tolerance comes at the expense of security and requires labeling conservatives "racist" for having skepticism all that's going to do is result in more populist candidates and a further swing against progressive ideals.
- pjc50 10y ago> Use your imagination and try to think if there's anything about the push for multiculturalism and how it's being done that could be problematic. You're asking me to make a strawman and argue against it. I'm asking people to explain their position and be specific about what they're against and what they want done about it. > Germany has unrestrained immigration. No they don't. They even have a handy website in English to explain what rules apply: http://www.bamf.de/EN/Migration/migration-node.html http://www.bamf.de/EN/Migration/migration-node.html ; if you, as (I guess?) a US national landed in Germany and decided to stay and work, you'd find out fairly quickly that it's not unrestricted. What they have done is fulfil their obligations under the Hague convention on refugees. This does not automatically grant the refugees indefinite leave to remain or German nationality. > skepticism about Islam What does this actually mean in practice, though? Does it mean allowing or encouraging officials to ask people their religion and discriminate against them on that basis? The UK labour party is currently having a fight over the mirror image of this question, which involves distinguishing between the state of Israel, "Zionism", and people of Jewish ethnicity and religion. The distinctions are easily lost in careless rhetoric but very important.