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> To refer to these variations as a "mistake" is the problem. But, surely, some variations are mistakes, whereas others might have come about as a deliberate a
by Bromskloss 10y ago
> To refer to these variations as a "mistake" is the problem.
But, surely, some variations are mistakes, whereas others might have come about as a deliberate and thought out breaking of an existing rule.
- TazeTSchnitzel 10y agoNative speakers do make mistakes, but a persistent “mistake” which is an ordinary feature of how many people speak, is perhaps not such a thing at all.
- Bromskloss 10y agoIt came about as a mistake, that's what I'm concentrating on.
- ebfbsf 10y agoBut since you've already acknowledged that this is equally true of all dialects (that they form as a result of "mistakes") then why are you concentrating on it especially in regard to AAVE? Hmm...
- Bromskloss 10y ago> why are you concentrating on it especially in regard to AAVE? What? It's what the post is about.
- skywhopper 10y agoMistakes are possible but language variants with different rules are not "mistakes" no matter why the variation came about. Intentional thought or planning is behind about 0.5% of our standard English. Why hold other dialects to a higher standard?
- Bromskloss 10y ago> Why hold other dialects to a higher standard? I'm not. I'm perfectly fine with saying that language A (be it well established or not) is language B with mistakes, even if language B itself came about through mistakes.
- skywhopper 10y ago"Mistakes" only in the context of language B. But if they are speaking language A, why would you even use the word "mistakes"?
- Bromskloss 10y agoI don't mean that everyone who speaks makes mistakes by doing so. I mean that the language came about through mistakes. That, in my view, makes it quite appropriate to say that language A is language B with me stakes.