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Out of EU immigration (intra -EU too, but it is a bit subdued) is of great concern to great many people. Since the AfD is the only German party willing to liste

Out of EU immigration (intra -EU too, but it is a bit subdued) is of great concern to great many people. Since the AfD is the only German party willing to listen about said concerns - you can safely assume they will become more popular.

kuschku 10y ago
That's not even true. Not a single German party has been pro out-EU immigration. Not a single one. In fact, the current government even made it harder for asylum seekers to stay, or bring their family, and expects to deport the majority of them in less than 3 years. Please read the official parliamentary protocols, and not the very wrong spin the media put on it.
- venomsnake 10y ago
  The thing is only AfD is anti. The other tip toe around the topic from the fear of being labeled racist/phobic. And if no one is pro out of EU migration - why did you let 1000000+ in last two years?
  - kuschku 10y ago
    > why did you let 1'000'000+ in last two years? Simple, because over two thirds of those were already sitting in refugee camps in Greece by mid-2015. Greece asked Germany to pay for the camps. Merkel decided that paying for camps in Germany would be cheaper than for paying for camps in Greece, and that here maybe a third could actually get integrated, further lowering costs. And the effort to deport them might get easier. So she said her famous sentence "we won't send anyone who already is in the EU and tries to go to Germany to get asylum back to the EU country they were in before".
- RGamma 10y ago
  Last time we took in a large portion of out-EU immigrants we didn't send ~2 million of them back (even though there were plans to do so), many of which I wouldn't remotely consider "German" even in the third generation (yes, I'm talking Turkish guest workers here). I don't see why this would be different this time around, especially considering many have nothing to go back to. From this we also have gotten a clear indication that large-scale assimilation isn't working (in this timespan) -- as you'd expect, because who wants to let go of his culture for no reason (there are native people living here!?). Technically there's a distinction between an accepted asylum seeker and a citizen proper, but at the end of the day they're going to get a regular permission to settle (Niederlassungserlaubnis, like a normal immigrant) and from there it's not far to citizenship at which point there's no legal way to send them back (because it would involve revoking citizenship). But even permissions to settle aren't routinely revoked, so the ruling parties accept that the asylum program is effectively turned into an immigration one. Merkel, too, has accepted that and is pushing the "integration" angle. A smart move considering the refugees of today can be the voters of tomorrow (~10-20 years). Her party backed off a bit when right-wing movements gained steam, but nothing essential has changed since. The next federal parliament elections will be interesting ones, a big motion of confidence...
  - kuschku 10y ago
    > Last time we took in a large portion of out-EU immigrants we didn't send ~2 million of them back That's wrong. The last time we took in a large portion of out-EU immigrants was the balkan wars, and we sent all of them back in the late 90s/early 2000s.

kuschku 10y ago

That's not even true. Not a single German party has been pro out-EU immigration. Not a single one. In fact, the current government even made it harder for asylum seekers to stay, or bring their family, and expects to deport the majority of them in less than 3 years. Please read the official parliamentary protocols, and not the very wrong spin the media put on it.

venomsnake 10y ago
The thing is only AfD is anti. The other tip toe around the topic from the fear of being labeled racist/phobic. And if no one is pro out of EU migration - why did you let 1000000+ in last two years?
- kuschku 10y ago
  > why did you let 1'000'000+ in last two years? Simple, because over two thirds of those were already sitting in refugee camps in Greece by mid-2015. Greece asked Germany to pay for the camps. Merkel decided that paying for camps in Germany would be cheaper than for paying for camps in Greece, and that here maybe a third could actually get integrated, further lowering costs. And the effort to deport them might get easier. So she said her famous sentence "we won't send anyone who already is in the EU and tries to go to Germany to get asylum back to the EU country they were in before".
RGamma 10y ago
Last time we took in a large portion of out-EU immigrants we didn't send ~2 million of them back (even though there were plans to do so), many of which I wouldn't remotely consider "German" even in the third generation (yes, I'm talking Turkish guest workers here). I don't see why this would be different this time around, especially considering many have nothing to go back to. From this we also have gotten a clear indication that large-scale assimilation isn't working (in this timespan) -- as you'd expect, because who wants to let go of his culture for no reason (there are native people living here!?). Technically there's a distinction between an accepted asylum seeker and a citizen proper, but at the end of the day they're going to get a regular permission to settle (Niederlassungserlaubnis, like a normal immigrant) and from there it's not far to citizenship at which point there's no legal way to send them back (because it would involve revoking citizenship). But even permissions to settle aren't routinely revoked, so the ruling parties accept that the asylum program is effectively turned into an immigration one. Merkel, too, has accepted that and is pushing the "integration" angle. A smart move considering the refugees of today can be the voters of tomorrow (~10-20 years). Her party backed off a bit when right-wing movements gained steam, but nothing essential has changed since. The next federal parliament elections will be interesting ones, a big motion of confidence...
- kuschku 10y ago
  > Last time we took in a large portion of out-EU immigrants we didn't send ~2 million of them back That's wrong. The last time we took in a large portion of out-EU immigrants was the balkan wars, and we sent all of them back in the late 90s/early 2000s.